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Death Penalty Myth
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:24 am
I strenuously object to the claim that the NCAA imposed death penalty placed on SMU killed their program for 25 years. SMU was never even an average program before they started buying players. The only time since Doak Walker lived in Dallas that SMU was relevant was when they started making car payments on trans-ams that were originally bought to entice players to Texas A&M. Also, I believe that SWC breaking up and SMU being left out of the Big 12 is what made them totally irrelevant.
I will agree that the death penalty would knock a program back for at least 5 years, possibly as much as 7 years. But if an established program in a good conference (Miami, Ohio State) were to receive the death penalty, they would recover and be back to full force after a one or two recruiting cycles.
The only argument I would listen to is that SMU has been forced to quit cheating, and now they can't keep up with the rest of college football that is still cheating.
I will agree that the death penalty would knock a program back for at least 5 years, possibly as much as 7 years. But if an established program in a good conference (Miami, Ohio State) were to receive the death penalty, they would recover and be back to full force after a one or two recruiting cycles.
The only argument I would listen to is that SMU has been forced to quit cheating, and now they can't keep up with the rest of college football that is still cheating.
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Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:31 am to Choupique19
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The only argument I would listen to is that SMU has been forced to quit cheating, and now they can't keep up with the rest of college football that is still cheating.
fwiw, this is kind of exactly where Miami was at in the late 90s/early 00s...after the major penalties of the 80s
it's kind of funny. now i will admit i was 100% wrong about Miami. i thought b/c of the threat of super major sanctions, they were relatively clean. looks like they just didn't give a frick
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
its half not even their fault. if lsu was located in south beach how f'ed would our program be?
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's kind of funny. now i will admit i was 100% wrong about Miami. i thought b/c of the threat of super major sanctions, they were relatively clean. looks like they just didn't give a frick
In "The U" and "Pony Excess" documentaries, both of those schools had "academia" (as Bernie Kosar put it) were trying to convince the schools to drop the athletics that were disgracing the schools. If Miami gets hammered this time, I wonder if the private institution that is Miami University would consider it?
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:37 am to bbap
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its half not even their fault.
yeah, but a booster was involved and coaches did know about it. this makes it pretty bad. closer to means than bush
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if lsu was located in south beach how f'ed would our program be?
oh very. i think the threat of major flashy neuvo riche types spreading money around is a detriment for CFB programs located in urban/upscale areas
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:38 am to Choupique19
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I wonder if the private institution that is Miami University would consider it?
The previous administration was all for it.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah, but a booster was involved and coaches did know about it. this makes it pretty bad. closer to means than bush
no i know. im just saying in that city i dont know how you stop corruption. the town itself is built on it.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
And the problem with Miami and USC is that you have a relatively small group of big time boosters whereas at LSU, Texas, OSU etc they have huge athletic foundations with a lot of small donors such as ourselves.
The small group of big time boosters just gives off a perception of shadiness.
The small group of big time boosters just gives off a perception of shadiness.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:45 am to bbap
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the town itself is built on it.
literally
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:46 am to Cosmo
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The small group of big time boosters just gives off a perception of shadiness.
yeah and SEC/Big10/Big12 boosters know the game. they know the rules, loopholes, etc
the "rising" programs run into issues. combine that with the flashy urban booster and you will end up fricked, eventually
and USC/Miami aren't "new kids on the block" but their resurgence was similar to that
Posted on 8/17/11 at 9:56 am to Choupique19
The death penalty killed ULL basketball. they were a top ten team at the time. yes basketball wasn't as big at the time as it is now but I still believe if they didn't receive the death penalty, they would still be a solid team.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:00 am to bbap
care to elaborate? a team like Miami MAY recover but it will destroy a smaller program for 20+ years or maybe even forever.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:01 am to Hazelnut
ULL doesn't have the resources or local talent to be a major CBB program. i think that's why he was laughing
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:02 am to Hazelnut
im just laughing that you think it was the death penalty that killed your basketball program. lets be honest here.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
All I'm saying is if they didn't get the death penalty, I think the program would be in much better shape than it is now. I'm not saying we'd be a powerhouse but more like a gonzaga type team.
They had a bunch of support before. During the investigation and after the penalty, the president turned his back on the team and coach. Had they had a team for those two years, I don't think the president would've screwed over the program and coach like he did.
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im just laughing that you think it was the death penalty that killed your basketball program. lets be honest here.
They had a bunch of support before. During the investigation and after the penalty, the president turned his back on the team and coach. Had they had a team for those two years, I don't think the president would've screwed over the program and coach like he did.
This post was edited on 8/17/11 at 10:09 am
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:08 am to Hazelnut
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but more like a gonzaga type team.
so a perrenial top 20 program. got it.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:09 am to Hazelnut
UK basketball received the death penalty at one time, i believe... so it's not impossible to recover.
imo, i don't think UM gets the death penalty... and yes, i've read the article. It's far more likely that the university disbands the team.
imo, i don't think UM gets the death penalty... and yes, i've read the article. It's far more likely that the university disbands the team.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:12 am to lowspark12
It's not a devastating as some people say (especially for a school with the history of kentucky) but it can be for a smaller school.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Butch did everything clean while at Miami he only became dirty at UNC- typical ranter
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