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DAT 5/30: Astros (Keuchel) @ Yankees (Severino) | 5:30 pm CST

Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by Rjlebla
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:59 am
I’ll take my first turn at a DAT.

Ludlow. In case you haven’t been paying attention, we just blew our 7th save of the season last night, which includes 3 in the last 3 games (twice in the 10-9 loss to Cleveland).

I hope we get the Keuchel from the 2015 wildcard game, and the offense finally figures out Severino. Our record for this trip won’t be nearly what it should or could of been had our bullpen not gone to complete crap. Shame.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:01 am to
Posted by ahunt1905
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:03 am to
Not saying we don't need the bullpen help but I feel a lot of our guys are underperforming as well during the last couple of weeks. Maybe it's a reverse affect of our starters going deep.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:06 am to
Astros will make a move for Hand, Familia, Britton, or another reliever at the deadline, I expect them to make a move with the Orioles for Britton + either O'Day or Brach
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:11 am to
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underperforming


I'm trying to keep perspective. Our pitching staff has been off to a historic start. I think that some regression is to be expected. It just didn't have to come in the form of blowing leads to likely playoff teams in two of the last three games.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am to
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(twice in the 10-9 loss to Cleveland).


Technically that's not true... but yeah... it sure feels like it.

Joe Smith has been the best Astros reliever lately with a 1.13 ERA and a .38 WHIP in May.

Joe. Smith.

McHugh has a lower ERA in May at .75, but he has a higher WHIP at 1.17 and did give up that HR in Cleveland.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am to
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Astros will make a move for Hand, Familia, Britton, or another reliever at the deadline, I expect them to make a move with the Orioles for Britton + either O'Day or Brach



I don’t follow them as close as others but there have been some interesting and what I’ll assume are appealing prospects coming up on the radar in our farm system. Right now Tucker and Whitley are the jewels but there have been a ton of names brought up here that should be enticing enough in certain combos to land one of the names you mentioned.

I just can’t see is continuing to blow games without a defined closer. I think we’ve given 4 guys a try at claiming the job but Giles, rondon, Devo and Peacock just can’t show enough consistency in that spot. They are all suited for setup duty (although peacock looks more broken at this point than the rest).

It’s unfortunate that the two teams that have coveted guys are notoriously stingy trade partners.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:27 am
Posted by ahunt1905
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:17 am to
I'd rather O'Day and Brach and they can keep Britton. Injuries scare me with him.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:19 am to
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Technically that's not true... but yeah... it


Yeah you’re right. Mchugh was going for the win. That’s even worse because it means we blew a separate game somewhere else. Our record could conceivably be 42-14 right now.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:21 am to
Britton is the one they want to move but O'Day and Brach would work as well. Astros I don't think trade for 1 bullpen guy but multiple bullpen arms.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:25 am to
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Maybe it's a reverse affect of our starters going deep.


I thought about that too. Maybe they’re not sharp because of a lack of opportunities?

I’ve noticed also that Hinch isn’t using guys multiple innings much anymore. It wasn’t uncommon for guys like peacock and devo to get more than one inning per game appearance but AJ hasn’t been doing that this year, because getting everyone work seems more the priority.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:27 am to
Still early in the year, I'm sure as the season winds down and playoff seeding becomes important you start to see more defined roles. Especially in the postseason, right now I'm not worried (even though I don't like) how the Yankees bullpen/starters are being used.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:40 am to
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Cut Sipp- He's wasted space

Trade McHugh- He's worth more to somebody else as a starter than he is as a long reliever to us with this rotation

Move Peacock back to his swing man role from early last year where he can give you 1 or 2 innings.

Pick up a legitimate LH reliever.

Add a high leverage late inning guy


This frees up Harris and Smith as middle inning or matchups guys, frees up Devo to potentially be used as vs LHP and leaves you to chose from some combo of Rondon, Giles and the other late leverage guy. In addition, you get enough redundancy to give guys the night off.


I posted this late last night in yesterday's thread. I know McHugh gives us great depth in case of an injury but I think he could be a decent trade chip for solidifying other needs.

I did look at Sipp's splits later and he's surprisingly done well against LHH. They're 2/20 against him and he hasn't walked any LHH.

I feel like the bullpen is full of middle relief types and nobody that really scares opponents on the back end.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:44 am to
McHugh for Betances
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
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19238 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:55 am to
quote:

I feel like the bullpen is full of middle relief types and nobody that really scares opponents on the back end.


Yep. I said something similar in last night’s thread. We need a legit closer with the mindset of a closer. All of these guys in the pen can hold games on most occasions but as soon as they need to get the last 3 outs or less, they can’t do it. Giles has had the job taken away from him several times now and the trust with him being in that role has eroded to the point that in last night’s game he wasn’t available...until he was if we got the lead back?
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 11:56 am
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101920 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 11:58 am to
I'd give McHugh a shot at that closer role.

Even after the HR given up the other day, he's at a .79 ERA, .926 WHIP, and 11.91 K/9.

See how he does, can't hurt, right?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31905 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:03 pm to
I really don’t get why he hasn’t gotten high leverage spots yet. It’s not like he’s getting frequent long relief outings as it is
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
22344 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:54 pm to
Keuchel is good for 5 innings and 3+ runs.

Too many for a game w Severino pitching.

We can't throw Verlander again after this collapse like the last time.

Astros sealed their fate in the 9th last night. 2 leadoff walks lead to horrible AB w the manager playing for a big inning instead of getting the 1 run that would secure the win.

1 walk was too many for the Astros to bear, giving up a pop fly HR in that Dixie Youth RF at Yankee Stadium.

Yankees are the team of destiny this year getting all the breaks. Even historical starting pitching can't bail out Hinch's Mainieri-esque bullpen moves this year.

A lot of bad luck and bad timing. When Hinch goes by the book, he gets burned. When he goes against it, he gets burned. There really have been some of these multiple run leads we've lost that I feel Hinch made the ONLY moves that could have caused a bad outcome.

And I'm not bashing him. Still Team Hinch. Liked his fire Sunday getting ejected.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Yankees are the team of destiny this year getting all the breaks
shite tell Boston that
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
22344 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:05 pm to
I've seen Boston blow games too

Nobody is winning games like the Yankees this year.

It's so bad, I wonder if the balls are changed when y'all come to bat
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