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re: Curious why 2004 was virtually a non issue?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:21 pm to trackfan
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:21 pm to trackfan
quote:Oklahoma played Houston(3-8), Ball State(2-9), and Oregon(5-6) for OOC that year. And Ball State backed out of their game with Auburn to play Oklahoma instead, that's why Auburn had to schedule the Citadel. Regardless - I don't know why people are so hung up on non-conference schedule. If you are in a cupcake conference and have two tough OOC opponents (in name only most times I might add), why is that considered superior to playing in a tough conference with a weak OOC schedule? Tough opponents are tough, and weak opponents are weak, whether they are in conf or OOC.
Wrong! Have you seen who Auburn played for its nonconference games?
I never said Auburn deserved it more than OK or USC. All I said was, if you go undefeated in the SEC, you deserve a shot at the title. Period. It would have been a crime to leave out OU or USC as well.
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Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:22 pm to Mike da Tigah
Another aspect is that ESPN had not yet signed a multi-billion dollar contract with the SEC yet. If they had, you can be sure ESPN would have pushed for Auburn to be in the mncg.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:29 pm to beatbammer
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I don't give a flying frick who played what outside of this: Oklahoma played and beat TWO Top 25 teams and Auburn played and beat FOUR.
Where are you geting these numbers from? At the time they played?
Based on the BCS ranks of the final poll before the bowls, I count it as:
OU - 4
_4 - Texas
20 - Texas A&M
22 - Texas Tech
24 - Okie St
USC - 3
_5 - Cal
_8 - Va Tech
19 - Arizona St
Auburn - 4
_7 - Georgia
11 - LSU
15 - Tenn x 2
USC was #1 in both human polls and #2 in the computers
OU was #2 in both human polls and #1 in the computers
Auburn was #3 in both human polls and #3 in the computers
BCS 2004 full
sooner schedule
USC schedule
Auburn schedule
You guys were third, period.
ETA - Tenn twice
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:29 pm to Baloo
Sure name means everything. And USC dominating Auburn just a year before (when the voters knew it was the same USC team but better in 2004) actually has MORE merit than the voters saying..."we've seen the SEC dominate the Big 12 in the championship game before." Year to year it shouldn't matter but it does carry weight.
Regardless, my personal opinion is 2004 Auburn is only important to Aubbie like 2001 Oregon is only important to Duck fans.
Nebraska and Oklahoma were whipped in 2001 and 2004 respectively but Oregon wasn't going to do any better against Miami and neither was Auburn against USC.
Regardless, my personal opinion is 2004 Auburn is only important to Aubbie like 2001 Oregon is only important to Duck fans.
Nebraska and Oklahoma were whipped in 2001 and 2004 respectively but Oregon wasn't going to do any better against Miami and neither was Auburn against USC.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:35 pm to auyushu
quote:
OK played a whopping 2 top 25 teams, one in the top 10. Auburn played three top 25 teams (actually 4 if you count playing Tenn twice), and one top 10
Looks like Archie beat me to it and was more through
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:44 pm to Baloo
quote:
Once again, the deciding factor was Name Brand. Auburn is a second tier power (like LSU is). Oklahoma is OU. You'll always lose a beauty contest to OU, just as OSU will always lose to Bama. Nothing to do with merits. It has to do with the Name.
100% correct.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 1:45 pm to filmmaker45
quote:
What has been done today is criminal.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 2:26 pm to Zamoro10
quote:Iowa State won't beat Oklahoma State
neither was Auburn against USC.
Texas Tech won't beat Oklahoma
Boise won't beat Oklahoma
Appalachian State won't beat Michigan
Utah won't beat Alabama
Miami(OH) won't beat LSU
The Giants won't beat the Patriots
The history books are full of guaranteed victories that did not come to fruition. I'd rather watch the game to see who wins instead of dismissing the contest based on someone's prediction. And yes, it matters to more than just Aubbies, if an SEC team goes undefeated, they deserve a shot. same for Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, and ACC.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 2:37 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:and this is why Auburn was not screwed in 2004.
Auburn was #3 in both human polls and #3 in the computers
At least this year, Ok State is #2 in the computers, so they have at least some argument.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 3:03 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:
quote:
Auburn was #3 in both human polls and #3 in the computers
and this is why Auburn was not screwed in 2004.
At least this year, Ok State is #2 in the computers, so they have at least some argument.
That's the thing...at the time there was no justifiable reason to put Auburn in over Oklahoma. People just get bent out of shape because undefeated Oklahoma was whipped by a great USC team.
2001 Oregon was #2 in both polls and 2003 USC was #1 in both polls.
Not only was Oklahoma undefeated and #2 in both polls but they were #1 in the computers.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 3:22 pm to Mike da Tigah
Because number 1...USC and Oklahoma were preseason number 1...and they finished that way...but the outcry was enough for them to tweak the system...
Posted on 12/7/11 at 4:25 pm to Aubie83
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..but the outcry was enough for them to tweak the system...
There was no outcry in 2004 and they didn't tweak anything because of Auburn. The BCS formula was rewritten before the 2004 season after the USC/LSU controversy in 2003.
The BCS formula for the 2005–06 season was the same as 2004–05, except that the Harris Interactive College Football Poll replaced the AP poll.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 4:26 pm
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