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re: Congrats to Leonard Fournette
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:39 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:39 pm to Chad504boy
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Season 44 carries for 124 yards. 2.8 average.
I was a running back once. This could of been me.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:49 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Imagine what he could do without 9 in the box.
Can't tell if this is tongue in cheek, or not.
Because that's the same excuse people made for him at LSU too.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:51 pm to BROpaneTANK
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He essentially plays for the LSU of the NFL. It’s pretty amazing really.
What's amazing is that people continue to defend him as a good player when all the evidence says otherwise. Watch a game sometime.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:53 pm to Patrick_Bateman
Can that game be the Pittsburgh game last year?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:But Gurley was coming off of a rookie season where he averaged 4.8 YPC.
Todd Gurley had to play in an archaic offense where he was the only threat and teams stacked the box against him.
Look at the stats from 2016 vs. 2017 after McVay revamped that offense, with nearly an identical # of attempts:
2016 - 278 rushes, 3.2 YPC, 6 TDs
2017 - 279 rushes, 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs
But even if we just compare Fournette’s 2017 season and Gurley’s 2016 season to their fellow RBs, Gurley’s 3.18 YPC was 88.6% pdf the 3.59 YPC of the other RBs. On the other hand, Fournette’s 3.88 YPC was 83.9% of the 4.62 YPC of the other RBs. And 2018 is even worse (78.7%; albeit limited sample size) for Fournette whole 2016 was by far the worse season by all comparisons for Gurley.
In other words, Fournette’s 3.73 YPC on 312 carries is not particularly good in and of itself, but the fact that his fellow RBs have 2 fewer carries and 145 more yards over the last 2 seasons seems far more problematic than his YPC alone would indicate.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:28 pm to buckeye_vol
Since you're a stats wizard can you compare YPC for starters vs 3rd down guys?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:29 pm to buckeye_vol
People can laugh at the Richardson comparison all they want, but it’s spot on. Neither guy ever learned how to play the position because they were so much faster and stronger than everyone else by the time they were sophomores in high school. This was still the case when they were both in college, and it’s not the case in the NFL. It’s why Leonard sucked against Alabama, he couldn’t rely on his speed and power and doesn’t have any vision. Leonard isn’t even an average NFL running back at this point. To say otherwise is just refuting hard evidence. Anybody that calls Richardson a bust and makes excuse for a Fournette doesn’t even deserve a response. Trent Richardson played for the fricking Cleveland Browns
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:31 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
You really think Fournette wouldn't kill it in a Rams-style offense?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:37 pm to Sun God
Kill it? No. He isn’t Todd Gurley. He’d be better than he is in Jacksonville, but every back in the league sans Kamara and Ingram would be better in the Rams offense. His YPC is alarming. Barkley plays in an equally inept offense and puts up 100 yards from scrimmage every week as a rookie. His line is arguably worse than Jacksonville’s. Fournette has been hyped up as a generational talent on this website since he was 16. He’s a generational athlete, but not a generational running back. Those guys stand out even in bad offenses.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:42 pm to Sun God
quote:No. Since a 3rd down guy, may not be a 3rd down guy if the starter is out.
Since you're a stats wizard can you compare YPC for starters vs 3rd down guys?
But I can tell you that Fournette averages 7.47 YPC on third down, and 3.52 on all other downs.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:42 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
You're aware that Fournette had 100+ yards from scrimmage last week, correct?
Also I need to see you quantify why Gurley is so much better than Fournette without using the Rams offensive play calling or gut feel bullshite in any sort of way.
The injury talk is legit. Everything else is just you talking out the side of your neck.
Also I need to see you quantify why Gurley is so much better than Fournette without using the Rams offensive play calling or gut feel bullshite in any sort of way.
The injury talk is legit. Everything else is just you talking out the side of your neck.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:44 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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People can laugh at the Richardson comparison all they want, but it’s spot on. Neither guy ever learned how to play the position because they were so much faster and stronger than everyone else by the time they were sophomores in high school. This was still the case when they were both in college, and it’s not the case in the NFL. It’s why Leonard sucked against Alabama, he couldn’t rely on his speed and power and doesn’t have any vision. Leonard isn’t even an average NFL running back at this point. To say otherwise is just refuting hard evidence. Anybody that calls Richardson a bust and makes excuse for a Fournette doesn’t even deserve a response. Trent Richardson played for the fricking Cleveland Browns
Eh...I wouldn't go as far as to say that.
Trent had no vision. This is the same guy that completely misses blocks and lanes.
Fournette depends on his athleticism, but he has the vision to stay in this league a long time.
Unfortunately, he needs to get healthy from all of these soft tissue/muscle injuries for one...they have lingered his entire career.
2nd is, you need a better fricking QB than Bortles and the lack of weapons that Jacksonville has.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:44 pm to buckeye_vol
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But I can tell you that Fournette averages 7.47 YPC on third down, and 3.52 on all other downs.
Thanks for proving my point
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:46 pm to Sun God
quote:Is your point that out of 127 yards and 17 carries, a 90 yard TD accounted for 71% of those yards?
Thanks for proving my point
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:49 pm to buckeye_vol
How many other backs make that same run?
My point was that guys that have the bulk of their carries on 3rd down are gonna have higher YPCs
My point was that guys that have the bulk of their carries on 3rd down are gonna have higher YPCs
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:02 pm to Sun God
quote:The right question would be could Fournette kill it in ANY offense.
You really think Fournette wouldn't kill it in a Rams-style offense?
I can tell you haven't come to terms that he isn't a good RB.
I did the same thing with Trent. I'm not hating on you my man.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:02 pm to Sun God
quote:Probably at least 15 or 20.
How many other backs make that same run?
quote:And there are plenty other starters, like Fournette, who average more YPC’s, and still don’t get outrushed by their teammates.
My point was that guys that have the bulk of their carries on 3rd down are gonna have higher YPCs
And since Fournette has missed 9 of 25 games, the other carries are disproportionately representative of “starter-like carries,” than an RB who plays the vast majority of games, making your point less valid.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
You could've at least framed it as "What RB wouldn't kill it in the Rams offense"
Doing all the work for you
Doing all the work for you
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:05 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:What are people missing with this?
His YPC is alarming.
TJ Yeldon has a career 4.1 yards per carry average.
And he was their guy before they got good.
What the shite are LSU fans missing here?
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:06 pm to buckeye_vol
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Probably at least 15 or 20.
K. Still working on some frickIN STATS for the second part of my post?
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