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re: Comparing Clark’s stats to the other 8 guards chosen for the Olympic team

Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:24 am to
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:24 am to
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Sabrina Iconesu is just what you described. A straight white wholesome Christian woman



Sabrina isn’t a rookie who just came into the league like a tidal wave.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:25 am to
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Sabrina isn’t a rookie who just came into the league like a tidal wave.
But she is a white straight female. Why wouldn’t they all hate her?
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:26 am to
Why did you leave out turnovers? She’s dead last in the entire WNBA in turnovers.

Since the 2011 WNBA season there has been only been 3 other plays that averaged over 4 turnovers a game. She is currently averaging 5.6 turnovers a game.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29394 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:28 am to
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But she is a white straight female. Why wouldn’t they all hate her?


It’s not that they hate white, straight basketball players. They just have contempt for a rookie white straight basketball player who has more fans than the rest of them combined.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
20038 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:28 am to
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Why did you leave out turnovers? She’s dead last in the entire WNBA in turnovers.


How stupid can some of you be? You quoted the OP and this is in the OP

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TO: Last 1.4 - Taurasi 1.6 - Howard 2.0 - Young 2.1 - Plum 2.5 - Loyd 2.7 - Ionescu 3.1 - Atkins 5.6 - Clark Gray has not played this season yet
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:29 am to
My entire point is they hate her because of her fanbase and not her being white or straight. So you agree with me.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29394 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:30 am to
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My entire point is they hate her because of her fanbase and not her being white or straight. So you agree with me.


If she were black do you think they’d be holding her fan base against her?
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16668 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:33 am to
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The decision to leave Clark off the team can in no way be logically explained or defended. There’s simply an irrational contempt against her.


Please list all of the guards who made the olympic team roster. And then make your argument, 1 by 1, for why you think Caitlin deserves a roster spot over each of them.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:34 am to
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she were black do you think they’d be holding her fan base against her?
Absolutelty 100% it would be a flip flop from the media and fans

Those loving Clark in here would hate the black player and her fanbase and and those hating Clark would likely like her


The Clark love and hate absolutely race plays a part. Neither side will admit that though…….

But the players themselves I truly don’t think race really plays a part as the majority reason for the hate. They hate some black players and love some black players and they love some white players and hate some white players

LSU and Carolina fought like ghetto queens every game and they were all black. They hated each other

Stewart, plum and taurasi may be the most popular players in the league to other players and are all white
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 9:36 am
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
20038 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:35 am to
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There is a good chance, regardless of her skin color, Clark would have made the team if her fanbase wasn’t psychotic.

So the committee sat in a room and said:

“She deserves to make the team. But we just can’t have all of her fans being happy about it, so we have to leave her off”

“But wouldn’t that mean we will get lots more of those fans watching the sport?”

“Doesn’t matter. We have to leave her off to spite them”

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:36 am to
The committee literally admitted the reaction of her fans while she sat the bench would have been unneeded controversy

I think they sometimes bring rookies in that don’t deserve the team on merit. Which would be Clark. They chose not to this year because of the above
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 9:37 am
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
20038 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:37 am to
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Nothing about Clark being white is unique. There have been plenty of white wnba superstars and leaders.


So what’s unique about Clark? Oh, her fan base is unique? Well let’s exclude that fan base!!

Or is she unique because she’s doing something no woman player has ever done before and everyone is jealous?
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29394 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:39 am to
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Please list all of the guards who made the olympic team roster. And then make your argument, 1 by 1, for why you think Caitlin deserves a roster spot over each of them.


All of the other guards: I never made a point to watch them play.

Clark: I’ve made a point to watch her play.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104135 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:40 am to
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All of the other guards: I never made a point to watch them play.
So how can you possibly say there is no logical reason to leave her off the team?
Posted by solus
Member since Dec 2019
3568 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:45 am to
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It’s not that they hate white, straight basketball players. They just have contempt for a rookie white straight basketball player who has more fans than the rest of them combined.


How many times are you going to move the goal posts? Sincerely?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
95699 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:45 am to
CC22 not being on the team is an insane mistake and whoever would profit from it left TONS of jersey money on the table because of it.

But whatever. It will probably help fuel CC22 to be even better.
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 10:28 am
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29394 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:46 am to
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So how can you possibly say there is no logical reason to leave her off the team?


The interest and viewership she brings outweighs any slight “edge” any other guard has over her skill wise. If she were a mediocre player with a huge fan base only because of her off the court antics/instagram posting or whatever that’d be one thing. Clark’s following was generated 100% by what she did on the court and she is setting rookie records.

Only a small minority of her fans would have taken offense to her only playing a limited role on the team. She is a historic player who should be wearing the Olympic jersey.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
20038 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:48 am to
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There’s also some larger societal issues at work,” he said. “There’s no doubt. I don’t want to hide from that. Some having to do with race, and they’re very apparent.

From Adam Silver, like he knows what he’s talking about lol

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A lot of people may say it’s not about Black and white, but to me, it is,” Las Vegas forward A’ja Wilson,

You can be top-notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that’s something that people don’t want to see. They don’t see it as marketable, so it doesn’t matter how hard I work. It doesn’t matter what we all do as Black women, we’re still going to be swept underneath the rug. That’s why it boils my blood when people say it’s not about race because it is.”





But sure, it’s the MSB posters that are making this all up lol
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
7892 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:48 am to
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How stupid can some of you be? You quoted the OP and this is in the OP



Missed it

But my main point stands. As far back as ESPN has stats, there's literally only been 3 other women to average over 4 turnovers per game.

Alyssa Thomas this year at 4.1
Angel McCoughtry at 4.1 in 2013
And Becky Hammon at 4.1 in 2007

Not only she is dead last over the past 17 seasons but by a very wide margin at 5.6 per game. She had 8 for her last game so its not like she's trending up. You can't win with that
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 9:51 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
95699 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 9:49 am to
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how can you possibly say there is no logical reason to leave her off the team?


Because money and growing the sport would easily outweigh the value that having CC22 instead of the last guard selected before her would bring.
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