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re: College Football's CURRENT Top 3 Most Hateful Rivalries
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The rivalry between Michigan and Ohio State is a reflection of the sheer level of hate the STATES have towards each other. Michigan and Ohio literally fought a battle over a strip of land. No two states dislike/hate each other more than Michigan and Ohio. This is what makes the football rivalry so unique and special. The hate Michigan fans have towards OSU has its origins not in football, but in something far deeper and more cultural. No other rivalry can claim that.
Missouri and Kansas hate each other way more as far as states are concerned(See Bloody Kansas). But yea, I'd put UM/OSU near the top of the rivalry list, at least top 3.
I would never consider Auburn and Alabama for a Top 3 rivalry list. Both teams would root for each other to beat LSU, and hated enemies never root the other to win (minus some sort of standings dilema).
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Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Alabama - Auburn = Last 3 national champions.
Michigan - Ohio State = One top ten finish combined the last two seasons.
Yeah. Very relevant.
Michigan - Ohio State = One top ten finish combined the last two seasons.
Yeah. Very relevant.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:36 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Lowlandgamecock, you are misunderstanding the OP, it isn't asking how other team's fans feel/care about the game, it's how the involved fanbases hate each other. Michigan and Ohio State hate each other unlike anything else in sports (iron bowl has a strong claim, though)
No I understand him perfectly fine and you can't seem to understand how much the fanbases I mentioned hate each other. Auburn and Alabama fans HATE each other. South Carolina and Clemson fans HATE each other (I worked for a guy when I was in high school that refused to hire any Clemson fans). Texas and TAMU fans HATE each other. Texas and OU fans HATE each other. Kansas and Missouri fans probably hate each other more than any other sports rivalry ever. There's that much hate.
You don't seem to understand the big picture of college football and are only focused on some old rivalry. I'm sure Wolverines and Buckeyes hate each other. No doubts about it. But that hate isn't at the level it is in southern rivalries. Until you've been in the trenches for years and years, you'll never understand it. ESPN wants to talk about how the Red Sox and Yankees hate each other and that's true. But they don't live in the same neighborhoods. They don't work at the same places. Hell they aren't even in the same state. The level of animosity and desire to beat the hell out of each other via a sporting event (and sometimes directly) just isn't there. Until you've lived it, you'll never understand it.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:37 pm to LowcountryGamecock
quote:I'm on a phone, relax. And i think you messed up a your/you're earlier.
First of all, learn to type like an adult
quote:Full Retard, I don't even know where to start.
If you think that Michigan-OSU fans hate each other more or even as much as rivals in the South do, then you are out of your damn mind. Sure they hate them on Saturdays, but Sunday through Friday they are more concerned with their pro sports. Football rivalries down south are a 24/7 365 thing. This divides cities, neighborhoods, and even families.
quote:2006, and see my previous post.
You don't get it and you never will. Times have changed. Michigan-Ohio State isn't as relevant as it was in the 60's and 70's.
quote:You are clearly the ignorant one here. I never took anything away from the Iron Bowl, other SEC rivalries, and I know SEC football is vastly superior. Pretty much every Bama fan and other SEC fans on htis thread admitted "The Game" was as big as it gets, and is up there, if not superior to, the Iron Bowl. I understand SEC fans don't care about "The Game," especially since 2006. You don't understand the OP, we still hate each other, I hate Ohio State with every bit of my being, and i'm an LSU student (lived in michigan until i was 12). Michigan and Ohio State fans interact day to day, a lot. You are very ignorant about this topic.
The fan hatred will never be the same as it is down south. You are completely ignorant to this yet you keep running your damn mouth like you know something when you really don't know shite.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:42 pm to RollTide1987
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Ask Bill Curry that question. He got death threats and a brick thrown through his window.
didn't he have that brick thrown through his window after a homecoming loss to Ole Miss?
Also isn't it true someone parked a moving truck outside of his house one time?
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Tommy Tuberville was let go from Auburn because Alabama was rising under Saban and Tubby didn't have the drive or work ethic to keep up.
I know it was a different time but didn't Auburn go behind Tuberville's back and try to hire Petrino? A whole lot of insecurity there considering Alabama's situation at the time, eh?
This post was edited on 8/25/12 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:46 pm to LowcountryGamecock
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Alabama - Auburn = Last 3 national champions.
Too bad they were barely ever relevant at the same time like LSU/Bama last year.
It takes two to tango. I still don't see #1 vs. #2?
2009 - #2 vs. unranked
2010 - #2 vs. #9
2011 - #2 vs. unranked
That's like saying UCLA-USC was a relevant rivalry from 2003-2005
Remind me again how many SEC titles Auburn and Alabama have decided and split between the two of them?
This post was edited on 8/25/12 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:47 pm to LowcountryGamecock
credit to Zambrano 10.
This didn't just "go away" since the 70s, it's alive and well.
This didn't just "go away" since the 70s, it's alive and well.
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History Lesson: Toledo War - Michigan vs. Ohio State
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This rivalry goes back to the 1830s, when the territory of Michigan and the state of Ohio went to war over the area of Toledo.
The Toledo War, as most people call it, began in 1835 with a dispute over who controlled the land called the Toledo Strip, which contained the Port of Toledo. Ohio claimed it for themselves, while Michigan, which was beginning the process to become a state, said that it had a claim on the land.
When Michigan sought statehood in the early 1830s, it’s pitch included the disputed zone it considered within its boundaries. Ohio’s Congressional delegation responded by halting Michigan’s admission to the Union.
Soon the argument got so heated that the two sides sent their militias to Toledo to intimidate the other. A few battles broke out, including one where the two sides fired at each other from across the Maumee River, with Michigan troops on the north bank and Ohio soldiers on the south. One man, a Michigan Sheriff’s Deputy, was killed in the conflict when he was stabbed in the back by an Ohioan during a bar fight in the city.
Eventually the fighting and arguing got so bad that President Andrew Jackson and the federal government had to intervene. After some more arguing, a compromise was finally reached. Ohio would get control of Toledo, while the federal government gave Michigan the Upper Peninsula, which was then part of the Wisconsin territory. Michigan was also allowed to become a state of the union, which it did in 1837.
In the end, while Ohio won the Toledo area, Michigan walked away with the mineral and lumber rich Upper Peninsula, which became a major source of money for the state.
While Michigan and Ohio would continue to argue over borders over the next century, especially with the islands in Lake Erie, they would never again go to war with each other. At least not with guns. Bring in the football teams of the two states’ greatest universities.
The emotions and tensions that Michigan and Ohio felt 175 years ago can still be felt on the last day of the college football season, when the Buckeyes and the Wolverines take the field.
In 2000, ESPN ranked the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry as the "Greatest North American Sports Rivalry."
"No, goddammit! We do NOT pull in and fill up. And I'll tell you exactly why we don't. It's because I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan! We'll coast and PUSH this goddam car to the Ohio line before I give this state a nickel of my money!" - Woody Hayes
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:53 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Full Retard, I don't even know where to start.
You are full retard if you don't believe Midwesterners in Michigan and Ohio care more about their pro sports teams than college teams. Down here, college football is king and it's not even a debate.
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2006, and see my previous post.
Cool, you had one year. Where has the relevance been since? Just because ESPN pumps y'all up to be some big deal doesn't mean you actually are one. See Tebow, Tim.
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You are clearly the ignorant one here. I never took anything away from the Iron Bowl, other SEC rivalries, and I know SEC football is vastly superior. Pretty much every Bama fan and other SEC fans on htis thread admitted "The Game" was as big as it gets, and is up there, if not superior to, the Iron Bowl. I understand SEC fans don't care about "The Game," especially since 2006. You don't understand the OP, we still hate each other, I hate Ohio State with every bit of my being, and i'm an LSU student (lived in michigan until i was 12). Michigan and Ohio State fans interact day to day, a lot. You are very ignorant about this topic.
You still don't get it. There are at least a half dozen, if not a full dozen rivalries that are far more intense for the fans than UM-OSU. Cool a few fans on here said that it's a heated rivalry. Is that really what you are going to hang your hat on? No one, not even myself is disputing that it's a heated rivalry, but it's just not at the personal level of animosity as rivalries down south. Maybe back in the 60's and 70's it was. That was the Big Ten's heyday and down south we had other issues that divided/united folks. But now, it's clear cut that rivalries down south are far more intense than Michigan-Ohio State. I'll give you this though, y'all have by far the most intense rivalry for any yearly game in the midwest.
Since you are new to the whole southern football scene and LSU doesn't have an instate rival worth a shite, I'd be willing to give you a pass on your ignorance, but you keep digging a hole. I've seen the hostility between Michigan and Ohio State fans firsthand in both states (spent more time in each state than I ever cared to), but it's not the same now and never will be the same again. If you can't grasp it or understand why, then you really don't need to be in these conversations because you're in over your head kid.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:55 pm to 1fairbank
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Both teams would root for each other to beat LSU, and hated enemies never root the other to win (minus some sort of standings dilema).
You should pull up those National Title threads of Auburn vs. Oregon and see the Bama fans pulling for Auburn because of...
SEC! SEC! SEC!
Your real rivalry is this imagined fight with the college football world outside of the South...and when conference supremacy means so much you lose what you think you is so big - in conference rivalries.
You'll never see an Ohio State fan pulling for Michigan because they have to represent the Big10...and conference pride and all that mumbo-gumbo.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:04 am to LowcountryGamecock
quote:You think we like the Lions and Browns more that the Wolverines and Buckeyes?
ou are full retard if you don't believe Midwesterners in Michigan and Ohio care more about their pro sports teams than college teams. Down here, college football is king and it's not even a debate.
quote:It's not about national relevance, the hatred still runs deep. I think two equally talented teams makes a greater rivalry than a top ranked team playing an unranked team (see Auburn and Alabama 2002-2011).
Cool, you had one year. Where has the relevance been since? Just because ESPN pumps y'all up to be some big deal doesn't mean you actually are one. See Tebow, Tim.
quote:I'm not hanging my hat on it, but you're in the minority here, buddy.
s that really what you are going to hang your hat on?
quote:Do you have UofM grads in your family? OSU alums as neighbors, classmates, and friends? No. There is so much history to this rivalry, some recent some not. Urban and Hoke have already had exchanges. Death threats to players who go to the wrong school. It might not be big to SEC fans, but to us it is every bit as important now as it was in the glory days. I promise. you are just wrong, and it's ok.
Since you are new to the whole southern football scene and LSU doesn't have an instate rival worth a shite, I'd be willing to give you a pass on your ignorance, but you keep digging a hole. I've seen the hostility between Michigan and Ohio State fans firsthand in both states (spent more time in each state than I ever cared to), but it's not the same now and never will be the same again. If you can't grasp it or understand why, then you really don't need to be in these conversations because you're in over your head kid.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:06 am to LowcountryGamecock
And it's fricking retarted to say there are a dozen rivalries more intense than this one. Anybody will tell you it' s at least top three.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:07 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Ah, let it go...I think this is Gamecockalum.
He thinks every school outside of the SEC plays football for exercise and after the game a den mother gives all the fans juice-boxes and we congratulate each other on good sportsmanship.
He thinks every school outside of the SEC plays football for exercise and after the game a den mother gives all the fans juice-boxes and we congratulate each other on good sportsmanship.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:08 am to Zamoro10
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:08 am to LowcountryGamecock
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I've seen the hostility between Michigan and Ohio State fans firsthand in both states (spent more time in each state than I ever cared to), but it's not the same now and never will be the same again. If you can't grasp it or understand why, then you really don't need to be in these conversations because you're in over your head kid.
No, you're the one in over your head, because we're talking about HATEFUL rivalries, not meaningful ones.
Ask yourself what you would give up for a good number of victories against the team? A 6-6 season for a meaningful win? A 4-8 season for three straight wins? A 1-11 season for ten straight? I'm going a little far with that last hypothetical, but who cares.
Now think if the other team would be willing to do the same. That is a Hateful rivalry, and I don't see Auburn or Alabama fans agreeing to either of these hypotheticals.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 12:11 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:10 am to JDM1992
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This is still going on? I think we've well established that you can't convince someone that you rivalry is better
yep.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:15 am to JDM1992
quote:I'm not trying to say Michigan osu is better than the iron bowl(same tier), but this cocks fanatic is trying to say it's not that intense, 12 rivalries are better, clemson Usc is better, etc. He's an idiot when it comes to cfb.
This is still going on? I think we've well established that you can't convince someone that you rivalry is better
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:16 am to Zamoro10
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You should pull up those National Title threads of Auburn vs. Oregon and see the Bama fans pulling for Auburn because of... SEC! SEC! SEC!
While this may be true on this message board, I saw some gumps wearing a shirt the day of the game that said ROLL DUCKS ROLL!!!
But..I also heard some fans talking at a bar after that game and it was clear some Bama fans were glad that the trophy was kept in the state of Alabama. I thought it was pathetic but apparently not every fan is as rabid as the random internet poster thinks they are.
GCA has no clue about the Alabama-Auburn rivalry, not one shred.
You're more likely to see an Alabama fan fighting another Alabama fan at a bar instead of an Auburn fan.
This post was edited on 8/26/12 at 12:28 am
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:16 am to Zamoro10
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Too bad they were barely ever relevant at the same time
:rotflmao: You can't be serious with this bullshite can you? quote:
2009 - #2 vs. unranked
2010 - #2 vs. #9
2011 - #2 vs. unranked
And their games still have higher ratings than UM-Ohio State despite the State of Alabama having a population of 5 million while Michigan and Ohio both have double that population. Auburn-Alabama games average about 8 million viewers while UM-OSU games are lucky to get to 7 million, if that. Yeah, very relevant there. When was the last time either of them won a legit national title? Oh wait, you don't have any legit BCS titles. :rotflmao:
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Remind me again how many SEC titles Auburn and Alabama have decided and split between the two of them?
29. How many legit BCS titles do UM-Ohio State have combined? Hell how many BCS titles does the Big Ten have? Rhymes with nero...
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:21 am to LowcountryGamecock
What about the other 11 better rivalries? How do their ratings compare?
One game had title implications, one had about nothing sans the rivalry on the line, who are casual/ out of state fans going to watch? You also must consider primetime tv vs a noon game.
One game had title implications, one had about nothing sans the rivalry on the line, who are casual/ out of state fans going to watch? You also must consider primetime tv vs a noon game.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 12:24 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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You think we like the Lions and Browns more that the Wolverines and Buckeyes?
I don't THINK you like your pro sports more than your college teams, I KNOW it, because it's true and I've seen it firsthand.
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It's not about national relevance, the hatred still runs deep. I think two equally talented teams makes a greater rivalry than a top ranked team playing an unranked team (see Auburn and Alabama 2002-2011).
If it were more nationally relevant, then more people would watch your games and you'd actually be playing in meaningful postseason games like say the national title game.
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I'm not hanging my hat on it, but you're in the minority here, buddy.
I'll give you credit, your delusion is strong. quote:
Do you have UofM grads in your family? OSU alums as neighbors, classmates, and friends? No. There is so much history to this rivalry, some recent some not. Urban and Hoke have already had exchanges. Death threats to players who go to the wrong school. It might not be big to SEC fans, but to us it is every bit as important now as it was in the glory days. I promise. you are just wrong, and it's ok.
As a matter of fact, I have both Michigan and Ohio State alums that live in my neighborhood. Oooo your coaches talk trash. Steve Spurrier talks shite to programs he doesn't even play this year. So that's what you are hanging your hat on? Pathetic. We have people who will literally let their daughters whore themselves out to get college football recruits to sign with them (Here's to you Tennessee). As much as people try to ignore it, boosters all over the SEC are forking over tens of thousands of dollars each year for just their football players. Hell some of it is just for spite. You don't get it kid. You grew up in the cesspool that is known as the Midwest. You never will get it. I suggest you shut the hell up and keep your head in the books, because it's obvious you have no idea what the hell you are typing about.
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