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re: College Football Needs This Playoff System

Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:32 pm to
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This is about deciding a champion for a current season.


and the BCS conferences have come up with a system that they like and think works. The others are free to stage a playoff and crown a champ.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:34 pm to
Well, they can think it works all day long, but I don't view it as a legitimate system.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:37 pm to
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Well they are not you fricking commie
I'm still trying to figure out what state ownership of industry has to do with this.
Posted by macatak911
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:39 pm to
Any system which does not GUARANTEE that a team who goes undefeated will have the opportunity to play for the title is an unfair system.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:42 pm to
Yeah, but among the other teams who they played, who they had no control over how good they were and shouldn't really have to care other than for the week they are preparing to play those teams, some of those teams, who the team in consideration for a national championship had no influence on whatsoever, had subpar campaigns!!
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:43 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:42 pm to
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hy don't we not keep score during games and just have the teams run around for 60 minutes? After the game, a panel of judges will rate each team on a scale from 1-10. After each team plays 12 games, each team's total will be added and the team with the highest score can be the national champions. It will be so great!


that's cute but my opinion is based on the results of games. There are times when 1 team can out play another and lose. Over the course of a long season that tends to even out. I'm sorry that i offends you some much that there is this one sport that does not end by having a multi round tournament with 1 final winner. Go watch D1AA if it bothers you so much.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:43 pm to
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Any system which does not GUARANTEE that a team who goes undefeated will have the opportunity to play for the title is an unfair system.
no system in which the teams do not have a balanced SOS should guarantee that...
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:44 pm to
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Any system which does not GUARANTEE that a team who goes undefeated will have the opportunity to play for the title is an unfair system.




its unfair that LSU football makes more money and gets better recruits than Utah as well.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:46 pm to
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'm still trying to figure out what state ownership of industry has to do with this


the communist ideal is that everyone is equal, they are not.

Maybe you're not a commie, just a liberal, progressive panty waste instead

ETA: Your system is by far the worst proposed, it makes a mockery out of football treating winning the Sun Belt as = to winning the SEC or Big 10. 16 teams would do the same and be vastly superior, it would not punish the better teams and give the Sun Belt, MAC the chance to say "we have a shot" and take the same amount of time.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:46 pm to
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my opinion is based on the results of games.
Really? You think that Boise, TCU, and Cincinnati should have been given no chance at the national title last year. The point of playing a football game is to win by outscoring your opponent. Here are the reuglar season results from the 3 teams in question last season (wins are denoted with a 'W', losses are denoted with ... well, it doesn't really matter):

Boise State: WWWWWWWWWWWWW
Cincinnati: WWWWWWWWWWWW
TCU: WWWWWWWWWWWW

Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37515 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:49 pm to
Idle thought - and this would not entirely replace the BCS... you need to invite the BCS champs to the major bowls or the BCS conferences and Major Bowls will not be interested

What about a committee with the latitude to invite between 4 and 6 teams? The top two BCS ranked teams would be automatic invites... the BCS rankings would be heavily considered but a lower ranked team could be invited if they were considered deserving?

Two or three rounds of playoffs would still be needed depending on whether there were 4 or 6 participants.

It would be subjective and cause for debate - but at the same time that's a weakness it's also a strength because it mobilizes public interest
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:54 pm to
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You think that Boise, TCU, and Cincinnati should have been given no chance at the national title last year.


they did have a shot, if Alabama or Texas has lost, Cincinnati or TCU would have gone, Sadly for them they did not. Alabama also when undefeated and they played a much tough schedule. That's not just opinion, look at the records of the teams Bama beat vs the teams Boise beat. The basic SOS formula (opp winning % and your opponents opponents winning %) favored Bama.
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doesn't really matter):


sure it does. They all had great seasons and got to go to great bowl games. Boise won their bowl and finished unbeaten, That's a great season. Too bad you can't appreciate it because of your warp view that every sport must end the season the same way.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:56 pm to
gmorgan, in my system, Cincy would have been the Big East AQ, and TCU and Florida would have been the at-larges...Boise State would have been left out, but who cares? Who did they beat during the regular season?

Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:57 pm to
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they did have a shot, if Alabama or Texas has lost
They had no control over whether Alabama or Texas lost. That's ridiculous.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 2:58 pm to
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Boise State would have been left out, but who cares?
People who are for a fair playoff system
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Who did they beat during the regular season?
Everyone they played
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:00 pm to
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Too bad you can't appreciate it because of your warp view that every sport must end the season the same way.
How do you figure that? I'm all for the EPL's way of deciding a champion and they don't have a playoff. Every team has an equal shot of winning, however.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:01 pm to
I favor a 4 team playoff, using a BCS like formula. Last year Boise would have been out, but TCU and Cincy would have been in.

I HATE ideas like the an 8 team playoff giving auto bids to the 6 BCS conference winners. The conferences are not equal, it obvious to anyone with a brain. Its saying that winning a 100 Meter dash in 10 flat is better than finishing 2nd in 9.85. You tell me which time is better.

If you want to treat all conferences the same like of liberal/socialist friend Gmorgan, just do the 16 team, with all 11 conference winners and 5 at large.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:02 pm to
I'm as far from a liberal/socialist as you are going to find.

If Obama died tomorrow, I'd probably quickly giggle and move on with life.
This post was edited on 11/11/10 at 3:03 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:06 pm to
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People who are for a fair playoff system



under your system there is one at large team. How is it "fair" they get in over the next best team? Suppose the top 2 non conference winners are LSU and Ohio State both finish 11-1, but don't win their conference based on tie breakers. What "fair" method are you using to determine which of those makes the playoff?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37515 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 3:06 pm to
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I HATE ideas like the an 8 team playoff giving auto bids to the 6 BCS conference winners. The conferences are not equal, it obvious to anyone with a brain.



mostly on the same page, not only are the conferences not equal... the champs of individual conferences from year to year are not equal
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