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re: College Basketball is hardest to win ship in.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:24 pm to ClydeFrog
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:24 pm to ClydeFrog
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Tl;dr: the post season almost entirely negates the regular season.
Statements like this are ignorant.
In order to GET to the post season tournament you usually have to have a successful regular season. Yes, there are exceptions, but 99% of the time, getting to the post season is based on having a successful regular season.
So the regular season is of utmost importance.
Now, people complain about a tournament being one and done and how UPSETS somehow negate the quality of the outcome of the tournament. I say that line of thinking is hogwash because there is always a chance that a lesser team will beat a better team. Within some sports there is more variation than others, but the point is that an upset does not mean that a tournament is the worst way to determine a champion.
And that's another point. Unless you play a round robin, it is impossible to determine who is the best team. A playoff is preferable to a bastardized and subjective system like the BCS, where half the teams are eliminated from competition prior to the opening kickoff of the season.
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Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:28 pm to Sophandros
So many arguments in this thread keep swaying me back and forth. I don't know what to think anymore.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:29 pm to Sophandros
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Exactly. Butler doesn't play for and almost win a national championship if basketball had a BCS type system.
Schools like Rice and Fresno State would have a combined zero national championships in baseball if there were a BCS type system in that sport.
So that proves CFB is harder.
Correct?
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:40 pm to Noplacelikehome
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2003 - Syracuse
2006 - Florida
2011 - UConn
The first two are correct. 2010 UConn was top ten before December, but also correct.
Thanks for the info.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:42 pm to Dr. Shultz
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So that proves CFB is harder.
Correct?
Easy if you play in about 4 conferences.
Impossible for the rest.
I'm starting to get confused too.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 1:50 pm to Dr. Shultz
Correct.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:46 pm to Sophandros
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In order to GET to the post season tournament you usually have to have a successful regular season.
You only really need to be in the top 68 teams, so the season doesn't have to be that good. College football only looks at the Top 25 teams over the course of the season and a fraction of those get considered for a BCS game. Any regular season loss could result in losing out on a half decent bowl game.
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I say that line of thinking is hogwash because there is always a chance that a lesser team will beat a better team.
That's my point exactly. These lesser teams had all regular season to prove themselves but we decide to just reset the clock and give them one more chance to save their season in the tournament. On the other hand, the good teams have proved themselves over the past months and have just one more opportunity to get upset. We know who the best teams are after the regular season, why do we need to reset everything with single game elimination?
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:50 pm to Tiger in NY
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No way. Football is, by far, the hardest. You have so little margin of error to get there.
This. Very few teams even stand a small chance in football. In basketball almost anyone in the field stands a chance. You just have to string together five wins. For most teams in the tournament there's a chance. Lose one or two games in football in the regular season and you're already eliminated.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 3:53 pm to Tiger in NY
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No way. Football is, by far, the hardest.
lol
Alabama has won it three times in four years. Nebraska did the same thing. Miami was dominant in the '80s.
There hasn't been a dynasty in college basketball (3 out of 4) in 40 years.
Duke was the closest in the early '90s.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:02 pm to BayouBengals03
World Cup soccer is pretty hard.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:06 pm to BuckYoshi
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World Cup soccer is pretty hard.
Hard? Yes.
Pretty damn fair? Absolutely.
Qualifying is pretty fair no matter who you are, you can earn it and get to the cup.
And then once in the cup you have pool play which mitigates getting ousted in the tournament early because of one bad game.
In NCAA football regular season and NCAA basketball post-season, if you have one bad game you can't win the championship.
In World Cup soccer, you can have one bad game, but make up for it with exceptional play in other games.
Soccer is the most fair sport of any that I consciously follow IMO. Home and Away aggregate is an incredibly fair way to determine winners.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 4:48 pm to BayouBengals03
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Alabama has won it three times in four years. Nebraska did the same thing. Miami was dominant in the '80s.
Could be they were just that good, right? If Bama really has been the best team, the fact that they made it to the championship game is proof the system works...unless you believe they didn't deserve to be there at all.
And your argument about a lack of a basketball dynasty is as likely to be about a flawed post season sytem as it is about it merely being difficult to get there.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:03 pm to ClydeFrog
The goal is to determine a champion, not the determine "the best team".
Determining a champion is objective.
Determining the best team is subjective.
Determining a champion is objective.
Determining the best team is subjective.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:05 pm to Sophandros
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The goal is to determine a champion, not the determine "the best team".
Determining a champion is objective.
Determining the best team is subjective.
Agree.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 5:50 pm to Bloodworth
Football is the hardest, imo. One slip up and you're done. Especially if you're not a big time program.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:30 pm to CatFan81
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Very few teams even stand a small chance in football. In basketball almost anyone in the field stands a chance. You just have to string together five wins.
This perspective could be used to justify B-ball as harder to win championship. Sooooo many teams and come tourney time...one and done.
If you're an LSU fan, your chances or far greater to win a championship in football than in B-ball. Am I right? Ive seen dominant LSU football and b-ball and the b-ball championship is seemingly impossible.
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:42 pm to thermal9221
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Football dude.
Teams can win all their games and still not even make the nc game. At least in basketball the smaller schools ha
This. College football is by far the hardest. We have a 8 seed and a 7 seed with a chance to win it all. That can not happen in college football. It's impossible with the way it's set up right now
Posted on 3/30/14 at 6:46 pm to jg8623
It's all about having a chance
You have to be in the top 4 now in college football for a chance to win
You only have to be top 64 in college basketball. If Kentucky and uconn were in college footballs system, they would have been at home a few weeks ago
You have to be in the top 4 now in college football for a chance to win
You only have to be top 64 in college basketball. If Kentucky and uconn were in college footballs system, they would have been at home a few weeks ago
Posted on 3/30/14 at 8:10 pm to Bho
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5 gets you to the ship. 6 wins it.
I know but of the teams that really have a chance to win it the 1st round matchup is usually one they should coast through.
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