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re: Coaching 5th-6th grade youth football

Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:39 am to
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:39 am to
Yeah, not a good idea to tackle with your shoulder. You always see what you hit. The majority of head injuries in football do not come from putting your facemask into someone and driving through them, those injuries come from poor tackling form, mostly involving ducking your head as you hit. And those even risk neck/spine injuries. I am not saying you won't get a concussion from seeing what you hit. Freak accidents happen. But teaching to tackle with the shoulder leaves the head and neck area unprotected and vulnerable to sideswipe hits from a knee or swinging arm that they may be running directly into from a side angle. Bad juju all around with the shoulder tackling. Not to mention poor job security for you with regards to injuries and W-L record
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:39 am to
Yes I know. That was my point. I don't understand why they are still teaching that old lame arse technique just so people can continue to turn their heads to mush.

They are football coaches. Not rocket scientists. Lets don't act like its impossible that an average fan is incapable of having a good idea from time to time
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:40 am to
You can still keep your head up if you use your shoulder
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:41 am to
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10085 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:42 am to
You know, your head isn't the only thing making contact when you do that. That is why you keep running through the hit and wrap your arms around them, bringing your whole body into the hit. Just because you got taught dangerously shitty form and got lucky enough to escape unscathed doesn't mean young kids need to roll the dice as well.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:48 am to
No actually I was taught the right way to tackle and luck had nothing to do with it. It was because I always used good technique and form and not my head and face

Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:51 am to


Perfect
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10085 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:59 am to
Hey man, do what you want, I am just saying that there is no way anyone will believe that shoulder tackling is an effective technique that is more safe than what the fricking NFL teaches. You never look for head to head contact (mainly all that could cause a concussion when using the head up facemask technique), but it will happen unless you teach kids to take out legs.

When hitting from the side, yes your technique makes sense. When hitting from the front, you risk stingers, concussion, and even paralysis. That is unacceptable. If you hit from the front and have your head to the side, the whiplash alone could cause severe nerve or head injuries.

That is why it is taught just simply as head up tackling. Two rules... from the side you cross the bow, and from the front you get low amd put your facemask in their chest. Easiest and safest way to teach tackling.

After typing all that, I feel like all of us may have argued the same point from different angles.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10085 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:00 am to
Not perfect.

Facemask not up high enough.

Head is to the side. Not a safe practice for smaller players.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:08 am to
ok

Yep smaller players should definitely go higher and with their head right in the chest of the ball carrier

It's like you don't even hear yourself
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:12 am to
American football could actually use rugby to help make the tackling safer. They have no where near the head injury problems that football does. LINK
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10085 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:17 am to
I never said they should hit higher, jackass. As a matter of fact I said they should get lower than the other man. At this age, any size player can hit a bigger player effectively from the front, slowing them down at the very least. But sure, instead of using the leverage of his entire body, lets make him put his lanky arse limbs in the way and hope it works out well for the little guy.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
4383 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 1:20 am to
He wouldn't be using his arms. He'd be using his shoulder/body.

Anyway good talk. Hope you see the light one day so kids can be a little safer and not taught the wrong way just cause that's the way you were taught
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 1:22 am
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 5:03 am to
LOL. No.

He's describing how to properly tackle. Put your shoulder on the target and wrap.

Watch a rugby match. That's how you tackle.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10768 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:09 am to
You are way over thinking on passing defense. We play Cedar Creek, River Oaks and most North La. private schools. None are passing teams.

We play with out safeties and use 4 corners but the inside guys are more like linebackers to stop the sweeps. Our linebackers and D-line is good enough to stop the middle. My son plays D-tackle and was second in tackles.

Our offense is sweeps, reverses, counters and off tackle. We did score a few on passing but we had a 6' tall 5th grader that is fast and can catch.


Do any of you guys know of a travel football team located in north La? Our team had a big break up and I am looking for somewhere else to send my son to play.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 6:10 am
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11101 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:08 am to
My great uncle used to coach middle-school football. He taught them to run the wing which is great because it teaches your defense during practice to tackle correctly and gain experience in reading offenses.

If you run the wing you will be more likely to have a winning season and have an offense that helps your defense.

Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35034 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:11 am to
if the defense has 8 plays at that level......oh boy...

8 plays on offense is more than enough
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
24194 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Any youth coaches at this level on the MSB?

What kind of system do you use to get your playcalls in to your defense, and how many plays/fronts do you run? I have become find of the wristband system and created my own little play on it with 2 or 3 fronts that I can switch around and still have the same plays calls available. 3 players have a wristband, one in each position grouping.

The DL has 8 stunts/plays to remember that are pureky individual responsibilities, and it is 4 plays (one to strong side, one to weak).

The LB group has 12 plays/responsibilities (only 6, one to each side for all of them).

The secondary has a bit more complex setup, but it spells out exact responsibilities for them. I run mostly man coverage, but can cycle in zone blitzes and combo coverages (half the field in zone, other side in man).

How much success have you all seen with your respective systems/fronts?







8 stunts? Dude you have gone overboard big time. You must want to win at all costs.
Posted by Tigerntx
NOLA
Member since Jul 2011
1309 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:05 am to
The game has evolved at all age levels. My guy played from 5 to 25, finishing in Europe. He has been injured more on the court & soccer field than the football field. He grew up in Texas. Most high schools (1200+) are running spread-option. Head coaches take their system down to middle school & the local youth leagues. By the time they get to him, they have years in his schemes.

I coached the kids for 12 years. If I learned anything, it was to never underestimate what they are capable of learning & executing.

I ran an offense with the holes & players numbered, that allowed me to put any back in any hole out of multiple sets. Really pretty simple & kept the reptitition to a minimum. Kids enjoyed the variety. O-line zone blocked with ability to pull a guard or trap & double-team - pretty simple really. It allowed me to adjust to the defense during the game.

Thanks to all you youth coaches for devoting the time to the kids. So many parents treat youth athletics like a cheap baby sitting service. The lesson learned on the field & bonds developed among the players last a lifetime. I always smile when I run into a 30 year old ex-youth player of mine & he says, "Hi Coach". Great memories.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
24194 posts
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:06 am to
quote:

You coach your team like you are playing Madden my man




Exactly
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