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Clock Management Idea for last minute drives - Great Idea or Too Risky?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:11 pm
Every time I see a football game where a team needs to drive 60+ yards with under a minute left and zero timeouts, the other team resorts to "prevent" or gives the offense easy down-the-middle throws or runs because the clock will run if they don't get out of bounds.
Many times, in order to get a big chuck of yards, they will throw a intermediate pass in the middle of the field, with a receiver unsuccessfully trying to make it out of bounds.
My question is, why wouldn't the coaches teach their players to throw the ball out of bounds (as a lateral), when they know it's not possible to get to the sidelines? I guess limit it to the guys you trust to do this, but what's the point of running when you can beam a lateral pass backwards 2-3 yards out of bounds to stop the clock? Also you don't need to hurry to the line or worry about spiking the next play.
In my head it makes sense, it could be stupid, but if it is dumb, I just want to know why.
I know it's hard to paint the picture of this, but just pretend a receiver just caught a 20 yard pass and is running horizontally to try to make it to the sideline, why not just throw it as a lateral backwards and make it a 15 yard gain and stop the clock quickly?
If this can be done, do you see this ever happening as a normal part of the 2 minute drill (at end of games) when no timeouts are available?
Many times, in order to get a big chuck of yards, they will throw a intermediate pass in the middle of the field, with a receiver unsuccessfully trying to make it out of bounds.
My question is, why wouldn't the coaches teach their players to throw the ball out of bounds (as a lateral), when they know it's not possible to get to the sidelines? I guess limit it to the guys you trust to do this, but what's the point of running when you can beam a lateral pass backwards 2-3 yards out of bounds to stop the clock? Also you don't need to hurry to the line or worry about spiking the next play.
In my head it makes sense, it could be stupid, but if it is dumb, I just want to know why.
I know it's hard to paint the picture of this, but just pretend a receiver just caught a 20 yard pass and is running horizontally to try to make it to the sideline, why not just throw it as a lateral backwards and make it a 15 yard gain and stop the clock quickly?
If this can be done, do you see this ever happening as a normal part of the 2 minute drill (at end of games) when no timeouts are available?
This post was edited on 11/24/13 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:13 pm to gobuxgo5
Because that would be a penalty...?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:15 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
so a lateral pass/pitch out of bounds is a penalty?
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:17 pm to wildtigercat93
Delay of game and 10 second run off
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:17 pm to gobuxgo5
A player needs forward momentum heading out of bounds to stop the clock. A legal lateral won't have forward momentum, so I'd imagine that it wouldn't stop the clock either.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:21 pm to FloridianDog
I was confused because whenever a quarterback throws a "lateral bubble screen" and it goes over the head of the receiver and out of bounds, the offense loses the yardage of the lateral but I've never seen an extra penalty applied to that.
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:31 pm to gobuxgo5
Pretty sure it's only a penalty if it's a forward pass. It doesn't stop the clock though.
ETA: NVM, 5 yard penalty with a 10 second run off.
ETA: NVM, 5 yard penalty with a 10 second run off.
This post was edited on 11/24/13 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:34 pm to ZTiger87
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I was confused because whenever a quarterback throws a "lateral bubble screen" and it goes over the head of the receiver and out of bounds, the offense loses the yardage of the lateral but I've never seen an extra penalty applied to that.
the key word there is Quarterback...who is behind the LOS
Posted on 11/24/13 at 6:49 pm to gobuxgo5
quote:because it's a penalty
why wouldn't the coaches teach their players to throw the ball out of bounds (as a lateral)
Posted on 11/25/13 at 6:10 am to gobuxgo5
Rule 4, Section 7, Article 1:
A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the following acts: ...
(d) throwing a backward pass out of bounds; ...
Penalty: For Illegally Conserving Time: Loss of five yards unless a larger distance penalty is applicable.
When actions referred to above are committed by the offensive team while time is in, officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ball to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The game clock will start on the ready-for-play signal. If the offensive team has timeouts remaining, it will have the option of using a timeout in lieu of a 10-second runoff, in which case the game clock will start on the snap after the timeout. The defense always has the option to decline the 10-second runoff and have the yardage penalty enforced, but if the yardage penalty is declined, the 10-second runoff is also declined.
A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the following acts: ...
(d) throwing a backward pass out of bounds; ...
Penalty: For Illegally Conserving Time: Loss of five yards unless a larger distance penalty is applicable.
When actions referred to above are committed by the offensive team while time is in, officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ball to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The game clock will start on the ready-for-play signal. If the offensive team has timeouts remaining, it will have the option of using a timeout in lieu of a 10-second runoff, in which case the game clock will start on the snap after the timeout. The defense always has the option to decline the 10-second runoff and have the yardage penalty enforced, but if the yardage penalty is declined, the 10-second runoff is also declined.
Posted on 11/25/13 at 6:36 pm to ctalati32
quote:
Rule 4, Section 7, Article 1:
A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the following acts: ...
(d) throwing a backward pass out of bounds; ...
So a team could do this outside of 1 minute?
Posted on 11/25/13 at 7:59 pm to VerlanderBEAST
That would be a very smart play UP until the 1 minute mark if so.. that's all I was saying in the first place.
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