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re: CHC Thread | Schwarber Smash | CLE (Bauer) @ CHC (Arrieta)

Posted on 6/22/15 at 7:35 am to
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 7:35 am to
Ian Happ homers again.

Castro needs to keep playing well into July so we can trade him.
Moving him is a net positive to this team (assuming one Baez or La Stella is healthy rest of year).

Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 7:36 am to
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Moving him is a net positive to this team


I don't even disagree with this. I wouldn't say it's a certainty because I think there are too many if's with both baez and la stella (and mendy if you wanted to add him in there)

I think any team that trades for him will get a good player though and the cubs should get a very good return.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 7:38 am
Posted by Overbrook
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:08 am to
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I think any team that trades for him will get a good player though and the cubs should get a very good return.

Not with that contract, as inconsistent as he is offensively.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:10 am to
We say that...but Castro has won several games for us this year with timely hits. He's still a bit of a goof in the field, but I don't think it's blatant. I just think it's lack of concentration. Anyone can boot a ground ball, even Omar Vizquel. Pick it up and don't let extra runners to score.

Addison Russell is a damn wizard out there on defense. He's the SS of the future for this team. I'm not going to pine for trading Castro, but I am going to pine for Russell moving to SS and whatever has to happen to Castro has to happen to Castro. My official stance on Castro is if they keep him, I understand why and I will be happy with it. If they trade him, I understand why and I will be happy with it.

Ian Happ...have mercy.

Kyle Schwarber...what can you say? He definitely made an impression.
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:15 am to
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Pick it up and don't let extra runners to score.


Lets be clear that i'm not defending that play...just the player as a whole...and not against criticism, but against the over the top manner in which it's heaped on him. He certainly deserves criticism. But he also warrants a defense too.

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He's the SS of the future for this team


agree

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My official stance on Castro is if they keep him, I understand why and I will be happy with it. If they trade him, I understand why and I will be happy with it.


I don't think they have much choice but to trade castro. And I don't think his contract would scare teams away and is quite reasonable while his history and room to improve also make him an attractive trade chip.

I just don't want to run him out of town.

This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 8:17 am
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:26 am to
Interesting roster moves should be coming up, too. Neil Ramirez and Mike Olt appear to be close to ready.
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:40 am to
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Mike Olt


Going to be weird for him. I don't want to jump the gun and say last chance type stuff, but he won't have a position, and he'll be an upgrade over using travis wood as a pinch hitter (and david ross, and mike baxter) so he should be valuable for us. So he'll be trying to make an impression without really having much of an opportunity to do so. I'd be really pressing if I was him...which is one of many reasons (most talent related) he's there and I'm here.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:46 am to
My hope is that he goes to Iowa for a week and plays the outfield corners and then gets called up in place of Baxter.
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:50 am to
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My hope is that he goes to Iowa for a week and plays the outfield corners and then gets called up in place of Baxter.




I agree, but for his sake, you're still talking about not having a spot to play. Especially when Soler returns.
Posted by MetryMojo
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:57 am to
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gets called up in place of Baxter


For the love of God.... ANYONE!
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:01 am to
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For the love of God.... ANYONE!


Y'all didn't like the double pinch hit move of ross and baxter back to back?
Posted by MetryMojo
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:03 am to
I would rather anyone who post on this board pinch hit instead of Baxter. How about that?
Posted by Overbrook
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:05 am to
It wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs trade Schwarber.
He doesn't really have a position other than serviceable outfield...Theo is hyping him as a catcher, but his catching skills are at least 2 years behind his offense, which is clearly ready. Most non-partisan observers don't think he's a catcher anyway.
But they did a good job upping his value this week - showed he can hit, and didn't show that he can't catch.
Posted by MetryMojo
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:24 am to
Man I don't know. I feel a trade is coming and I'm frightened by it. Obviously Russell is the SS of the future but Castro has done some good things this year (I'm staying out of the Castro argument). Schwarber can obviously rake but won't play catcher on this team this year or next. The upside of Baez is through the roof. However, he strikes out about as much as my boy Baxter (If not more if possible). Basically what I'm getting at is something has to give somewhere and I have no idea as to what it is. I just hope we don't look back years later and say... remember when we traded......
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:38 am to
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yea...it's the rabble rabble starlin is the worst shite. The kind of stuff that is silly.



I pieced together why I dont like him, giving a few legit reasons why I dont think he is a good player, and yet instead of addressing them, it's lumped together as over the top hate? I know you love the guy, but damn. My opinions are right there, and they are hardly over the top.


yet I ask you why you like him, and you tell me because he is cheap and better than Herrera. Give me something here.
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:14 am to
To go back to my first comment on the topic

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Does Castro deserve criticism? Sure. Is it over the top? Absolutely.


Getting rid of him for anything or saying he doesn't have any redeeming qualities isn't over the top?



I think it is, but oh well...i'll knight for him and you grab your pitchfork. We can co-exist, and both deep down know that our positions are both probably too extreme.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 10:24 am
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:15 am to
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs trade Schwarber.


Patrick Mooney, or maybe it was jesse rodgers, said recently that he's the one (of the prospects/kids) who theo loves the most.

Now that's admittedly not much to go on, but I think he's about untouchable.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:26 am to
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Getting rid of him for anything


that was obviously meant to be over the top. To sit here and pick at that like I was serious is silly, especially when i laid out why I don't like the guy as a player.


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or saying he doesn't have any redeeming qualities isn't over the top?


well, im still waiting for someone to name some. Something that has to do with his on the field play. Tell me why that is over the top?

is he good defensively? is his speed a threat? is he producing good ABs/working the pitcher? taking the extra base/hustling? does he have any intangibles that you like?
Posted by piggidyphish
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:30 am to
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that was obviously meant to be over the top.


Guess that's why i think the hate is over the top then. It's become as much of a tradition as the ivy to bitch about castro. and yes...it's over the top. Especially when the catalyst is asking if anyone would still defend castro.

as for redeeming...2014. Highest OPS of his career. That's pretty redeeming. I don't' think anyone would argue that he's not having a tough year so far. Much like he did in 2013.

His trade value...that's redeeming.

His walk off wins. Those are redeeming.

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does he have any intangibles that you like?


I don't like intangibles...that's why i don't like david ross.
Posted by The Sad Banana
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:32 am to
He might be the next most polarizing Cub since Soriano.
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