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Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:29 am to Dr RC
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They are absolutely independent by choice.
If so, why were they begging to join the Pac12? The ESPN/Y-TV deal was AFTER the Pac12 rejected them. To add to the insult, they took UofU.
BYU didn't want to stay in the Mountain West, couldn't go to a major conference...so what option did they have?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:29 am to GoldenFlakes
I really don't see a compelling reason to deny them the "ND Exception".
They're at least as good consistently as Wake, Duke, NCState, Indiana, Minnesota, Washington State, or Oregon State.
They're desperate so they'll agree to anything and not punk anyone by dropping out of a deal.
Because they're having such trouble putting together a schedule, they will end up with a winning record every year by virtue of playing crappy teams, so if you think you can beat them, it'll be a victory that will help, nit hurt your SOS.
As an aside, DAMN, Utah screwed them good! Wow!!! Just as BYU launched its network and independence, Utah, their biggest rival, went from the second-tier, where they'd been, to a BCS Power 5 conference!
They're at least as good consistently as Wake, Duke, NCState, Indiana, Minnesota, Washington State, or Oregon State.
They're desperate so they'll agree to anything and not punk anyone by dropping out of a deal.
Because they're having such trouble putting together a schedule, they will end up with a winning record every year by virtue of playing crappy teams, so if you think you can beat them, it'll be a victory that will help, nit hurt your SOS.
As an aside, DAMN, Utah screwed them good! Wow!!! Just as BYU launched its network and independence, Utah, their biggest rival, went from the second-tier, where they'd been, to a BCS Power 5 conference!
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:42 am to GoldenFlakes
The basic principle has some fairly significant flaws, the primary one being that simply being in one of the major conferences doesn't automatically make a team a quality opponent, and not being in one doesn't automatically mean the team isn't. Notre Dame has been horrific some years, while Boise State would have beaten them like redheaded step-rechauns. There's really no easy fix except to have an annual vote on each and every team non-major conference team that applies to be considered "major" enough to be a quality OOC opponent, and then vote annually on whether they deserve to remain. That ensures that sufficient success over a time will be rewarded eventually, while failure to maintain success will be treated accordingly. But that's an ugly and political fix, so the essential problem remains.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:42 am to Dr RC
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Senior day (or HC) against a weak opponent is normal b/c it allows the HC to ensure all seniors can play.
I don't know about A&M but our senior day is always the last home game of the year which is almost always going to be against another SEC team.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:44 am to TheCheshireHog
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I don't know about A&M but our senior day is always the last home game of the year which is almost always going to be against another SEC team.
In the past it has been LSU/Ms. State, but Mizzou will be replacing LSU going forward,
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Senior day (or HC) against a weak opponent is normal b/c it allows the HC to ensure all seniors can play.
Truth still remains after the switch.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:56 am to Dr RC
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IMO of the SEC does a deal with BYU it's purely b/c ESPN controls BYU's home games and will want to make BYU games more valuable for TV.
This is really BYU's dilemma. ESPN I don't think gives a shite if they play higher quality competition because it's not really why they signed them up. Right now, they use the BYU contract to fill in Thu/Fri games. It works.
And I don't think an SEC school would agree to a fricking Friday night game, meaning ESPN would cram the BYU home games into an already jammed Saturday slate. And while in theory that's okay, it really isn't. No one watches BYU games. That's the struggle of being without a conference. Your games don't effect anyone else in any way.
Last year they played Texas on ESPN2 and it got a 1.0 rating. WVU-OU in the same time slot got a 1.9. But that was a conference game that mattered to other people. The only other Sat game BYU had that ESPN aired (ESPN2), Utah-BYU, only drew a 0.9. I'm not saying ESPN would be against it, but I just don't think they have any compelling reason to push it. It doesn't move the needle on Saturday and they'd have to find other Thu/Fri content.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:03 pm to arrakis
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If so, why were they begging to join the Pac12? The ESPN/Y-TV deal was AFTER the Pac12 rejected them. To add to the insult, they took UofU.
BYU didn't want to stay in the Mountain West, couldn't go to a major conference...so what option did they have?
What? Just b/c they would have liked to joined the Pac 12 (b/c its a hell of a lot more money) doesn't mean that they are independent against their will.
Again, they decided to be independent over being in the MWC. So what if the ESPN deal came after the Pac said no? You really think they would have left the MWC w/o having a plan to sell their home games in case they were told no by the Pac? It's not like they didn't realize their Pac 12 bid was a long shot since they were refusing to play any sports on Sundays and would not give up having at least 1 game on BYUTV.
Simply put, they knew they could get more money and have more programming for BYUTV via independence or conference upgrade and decided both were better than being in the MWC.
If they wanted back in the MWC they would be taken in a heartbeat b/c BYU is the only school that might help them eventually become the weak 6th member of the P5.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:07 pm to tmc94
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And I don't think an SEC school would agree to a fricking Friday night game, meaning ESPN would cram the BYU home games into an already jammed Saturday slate. And while in theory that's okay, it really isn't. No one watches BYU games. That's the struggle of being without a conference. Your games don't effect anyone else in any way.
Home games? Only on Black Friday and that's rivalry week.
Away games? I could potentially see it for certain schools.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:10 pm to Dr RC
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Home games? Only on Black Friday and that's rivalry week.
Unless you play in the B1G where every week is rivalry week.
But yes, only pretend rivalry games happen before the last couple weeks of the season.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:13 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Back to West Point though, they quit Conference USA because it was too difficult for them (at least that's what a West Pointer I deployed with tried to give as their excuse)
It was... they were good for an 0-12 or 1-11 year when they were in CUSA. This was back when CUSA had Louisville, Cincinnati, Southern Miss at its prime, TCU was getting going under Patterson, Tulane was still decent, East Carolina was a Top 25 team with David Garrard. Even UAB and Memphis were having their moments with Darrell Hackney at QB for UAB and DeAngelo Williams at RB for Memphis
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:20 pm to GoldenFlakes
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BYU AD Tom Holmoe said he plans to speak w Mike Slive about if his program meets the SEC's new scheduling requirements
I would love to hear the conversation if the answer is no
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:21 pm to Dr RC
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Away games? I could potentially see it for certain schools.
uggh, I'd throw a fit if A&M ever played an away game on a Friday night (non-holiday weekend). Fuuuuck that.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:43 pm to tmc94
Meh, unless you have kids playing high school ball I don't see why it would be that big of a problem.
Are you really going to travel out to Provo for a game?
I've done it once and that was enough.
That said, I doubt it would equal many (if any) more Friday/Thursday games than ESPN is already planning for SECN. They have already said they are interested in more Thursday SEC games. It's only a matter of time before they start putting them on Fridays as well. It's not like BYU exclusively plays Thursday/Friday anyway. They have 7 Saturday games this season and 1 of the Fridays was only moved b/c the season kicks off on Labor Day weekend.
Are you really going to travel out to Provo for a game?
I've done it once and that was enough.
That said, I doubt it would equal many (if any) more Friday/Thursday games than ESPN is already planning for SECN. They have already said they are interested in more Thursday SEC games. It's only a matter of time before they start putting them on Fridays as well. It's not like BYU exclusively plays Thursday/Friday anyway. They have 7 Saturday games this season and 1 of the Fridays was only moved b/c the season kicks off on Labor Day weekend.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:46 pm to GoldenFlakes
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Notre Dame-like exception
Notre Dame doesn't deserve the Notre Dame exception.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:58 pm to Dr RC
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Are you really going to travel out to Provo for a game?
Potentially. I didn't go last time so I'd definitely try. I like SLC. But I would be mad if we ever had our "marquee" OOC road game on Friday. Why even play them if fans can't/won't go? It's not like we have to play them at all. There are 51 non-SEC P5 schools. Just pass on anyone if they want to play on Thursday/Friday.
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They have already said they are interested in more Thursday SEC
The plan is actually 2-3 per year. Tday and opening weekend we are already doing. I imagine they may try 1 more but Slive himself said we are a Saturday league and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. SECN doesn't need Thursday tbh as there are other sports.
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It's not like BYU exclusively plays Thursday/Friday anyway
of course they don't but ESPN only aired 2 non-Thur/Fri games last year. That's just when ESPN generally puts BYU content and if they move it to Saturday they are bumping something else and losing Thu/Fri content.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:01 pm to tmc94
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uggh, I'd throw a fit if A&M ever played an away game on a Friday night (non-holiday weekend). Fuuuuck that.
A&M played at Wyoming on a Friday night in 2001, shortly after September 11th, IIRC.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:04 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
it was a Thursday game but yeah, that was bs. We played Louisville or someone on a Thursday when I was in school too iirc.
But one thing about both those is they were in an era when games like that weren't necessarily televised at all. So at least there was an excuse to move them.
But one thing about both those is they were in an era when games like that weren't necessarily televised at all. So at least there was an excuse to move them.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:17 pm to tmc94
again, I just doubt that ESPN would put an SEC/BYU game on Friday or Thursday any time soon. Especially if it was at an SEC venue. Those games that get put on Thursday/Friday now are games against schools from the AAC and MWC.
even so, I do expect ESPN to gradually start pushing for games on those days over time with the SECN. I don't really care what Slive says right now on the subject b/c he had no reason to even bring it up until ESPN plans of ramming it through.
even so, I do expect ESPN to gradually start pushing for games on those days over time with the SECN. I don't really care what Slive says right now on the subject b/c he had no reason to even bring it up until ESPN plans of ramming it through.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:33 pm to Dr RC
Yikes, we're just really missing each other. I don't think ESPN would put an SEC game on a Friday (contractually they can't put home SEC games there anyway). This discussion came from the idea that ESPN might want to make an SEC-BYU pairing happen.
My point is for it to happen, the BYU home game would almost certainly have to be Sat, which honestly does very little for ESPN. If they did that, they lose Thu/Fri content and they are already overbooked on Saturdays. So there is little incentive on their part which makes them pretty indifferent to BYU's scheduling.
I also think you're going to be wrong on the Thursday SEC issue but that's obviously tbd. The SEC has long pushed tradition over money. It's not like anyone is hurting for money (or exposure) anyway.
My point is for it to happen, the BYU home game would almost certainly have to be Sat, which honestly does very little for ESPN. If they did that, they lose Thu/Fri content and they are already overbooked on Saturdays. So there is little incentive on their part which makes them pretty indifferent to BYU's scheduling.
I also think you're going to be wrong on the Thursday SEC issue but that's obviously tbd. The SEC has long pushed tradition over money. It's not like anyone is hurting for money (or exposure) anyway.
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