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re: Bonds Guilty of obstruction of justice
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:48 pm to jacks40
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:48 pm to jacks40
Great quick analysis from NBC
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Bonds was facing four charges in all: three counts of lying to a grand jury — one each about taking steroids, taking HGH and receiving injections of any kind — and one catch-all count. That was the obstruction charge. I’m not entirely sure how the jury could logically conclude that Bonds obstructed justice but not also conclude that he lied about the three specific topics for which he was accused of perjury. There were no allegations of any other acts of obstruction beyond his testimony. He didn’t destroy evidence, for example. If you have him for obstruction, how do you not have him on everything? What possible act beyond lying — which the jury is saying they can’t agree on — can they convict him of obstruction?
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Now they have a conviction. On one count, and it’s a confusing verdict at that which could very well be the subject of a lot of post-trial procedure by the defense due to its logical inconsistency. If you thought a verdict would bring closure: think again.
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:51 pm to Baloo
Even though Roger Clemens is as guilty as hell, I bet this means that the Govt won't go after him now.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
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thanks for proving to us how cool you are by showing your hate for Barry Bonds. very original
R2R LOVE YA BROTHA!!! BUT BONDS IS DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!. And I could really care less. BUT his records should be GONE!!!!!
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:53 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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Even though Roger Clemens is as guilty as hell, I bet this means that the Govt won't go after him now.
well they are already after him
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:55 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
I think they have more evidence against Clemens.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:55 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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Even though Roger Clemens is as guilty as hell, I bet this means that the Govt won't go after him now.
of course not. the government had to bring SOMEBODY down obviously, and negative public opinion for Bonds pushed him front and center. no way the all-american boy Roger Clemens would ever have to deal with this.
i'm sure tons of fans already lining up a list of other ball players who are good with the media they want to see break the HR record.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:57 pm to dukke v
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R2R LOVE YA BROTHA!!! BUT BONDS IS DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!. And I could really care less. BUT his records should be GONE!!!!!
as should dozens of other players. but one witch hunt is enough. let's go after one guy that the majority of fans hate and make an example out of him.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:59 pm to Rohan2Reed
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the government had to bring SOMEBODY down
What does this matter??? BONDS is a s guilty as sin. So Is CLEMENS!!! He should get the same thing. ITS so STUPID. ALL OF THIS!!! PISSES ME OFF. I am a BASEBALL FAN, and I am put through this shite. So many players are doing this shite.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:01 pm to Rohan2Reed
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let's go after one guy that the majority of fans hate and make an example out of him.
Disagree bud. He is the MOST PHYSICAL example of this. Don't even try to tell me different.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:01 pm to dukke v
Clemens didn't do shite PJ.. Stop being a HATER
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:01 pm to dukke v
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What does this matter???
what does it matter? oh i dunno, how about we just start prosecuting murderers selectively.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:04 pm to Rohan2Reed
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what does it matter? oh i dunno, how about we just start prosecuting murderers selectively.
So he has THREE charges dismissed. OK he is a HIGH PROFILE athlete. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. If it was me or YOU we would be put in jail for years without all this bull. FACE IT HIGH PROFILE ATHLETES get away with whatever they want. frick BONDS!!! He is a LYING POS.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:07 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
All a waste of time.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:11 pm to dukke v
If it was you or me, we never would have been prosecuted on this BS. Bonds' appelatte attorney must be going ape right now. The jury doesn't convict on any of the perjury counts, but convicts on the obstruction count in the face of this instruction:
"In order for the defendant to be found guilty of Count 5, you must all agree that one or more of the following statements was material and intentionally evasive, false or misleading, with all of you unanimously agreeing as to which statement or statements so qualify."
But they DIDN'T unanimously agree which statement was intentional false or misleading or else they would have convicted him on that count of perjury. Really, this is a bizarre verdict that doesn't make sense by its own logic.
"In order for the defendant to be found guilty of Count 5, you must all agree that one or more of the following statements was material and intentionally evasive, false or misleading, with all of you unanimously agreeing as to which statement or statements so qualify."
But they DIDN'T unanimously agree which statement was intentional false or misleading or else they would have convicted him on that count of perjury. Really, this is a bizarre verdict that doesn't make sense by its own logic.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:14 pm to Baloo
the jury said that this was the statement that obstructed justice:
wtf? only POSSIBLE scenario I see here is if it's considered an evasive answer, but yeah.. this verdict doesn't make a lot of sense.
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That’s what keeps our friendship. You know, I am sorry, but that – you know, that – I was a celebrity child, not just in baseball by my own instincts. I became a celebrity child with a famous father. I just don’t get into other people’s business because of my father’s situation, you see…
wtf? only POSSIBLE scenario I see here is if it's considered an evasive answer, but yeah.. this verdict doesn't make a lot of sense.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:15 pm to Baloo
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"In order for the defendant to be found guilty of Count 5, you must all agree that one or more of the following statements was material and intentionally evasive, false or misleading, with all of you unanimously agreeing as to which statement or statements so qualify."
This verdict is getting thrown out.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:16 pm to Baloo
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Really, this is a bizarre verdict that doesn't make sense by its own logic.
I agree with this.
I just want to know WHY doesn't he STEP UP as a man and say he did the shite. Just like all the people that wanted Pete Rose to just say HE DUID gamble on baseball. I am TIRED OF BONDS THINKING he is bettr than ANYONE.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:20 pm to dukke v
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I just want to know WHY doesn't he STEP UP as a man and say he did the shite
Well for the last 8 years if he would have done that it would have been akin to confessing and putting himself in jail
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:24 pm to Rohan2Reed
Where is the source that is the obstructing statement? Do you have a link? Thanks.
Because if that's it, how on earth is that material to anything?
Because if that's it, how on earth is that material to anything?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:24 pm to Rohan2Reed
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wtf? only POSSIBLE scenario I see here is if it's considered an evasive answer, but yeah.. this verdict doesn't make a lot of sense.
Do you think he did roids????
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