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re: Bo Jackson vs Prime who is better athlete?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:01 pm to Juan Betanzos
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:01 pm to Juan Betanzos
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Bo could have been an Olympic level athlete if he wanted to
Archery?
100m dash at 10.44 would be a record holder in the women's division I think.
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:06 pm to auyushu
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Bo was playing at an all-star/pro bowl level in both sports right before injury,
In 130 games, Bo led all of MLB in strike outs for the 1 season that he was an all star.
Bo was a power hitter.
Swing hard in case he hits it.
Good home run numbers.
Good doubles numbers.
But one of the worst of his era for strikeouts.
Didn't walk much.
Didn't really steal much (better than average. But not good for someone who is considered a potential Olympic athlete or best athlete ever).
And finished a career .250 batting average.
It seems every argument "for Bo" is that he was consistently getting better before the injury.
As if that is impressive (peak years for most ballplayers is about 28 years of age).
Posted on 6/23/23 at 9:56 pm to meansonny
Why do you hate Bo so much????
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:04 pm to meansonny
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130 games, Bo led all of MLB in strike outs for the 1 season that he was an all star.
You keep bringing up strikeouts like that means anything. Strikeouts mean jack crap for an offensive player unless you are trying to compare two completely equal in every way offensive players.
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seems every argument "for Bo" is that he was consistently getting better before the injury.
No, the argument for Bo is that he was elite at the time of his injury. His last season before injury (1990) he was in the top 20 of MLB for wRC+, wOBA, and OPS. And he was 27, so he was just entering his prime as a baseball player. He only played four healthy seasons in MLB, the third season he was an all star and the fourth he was a top 20 hitter in baseball by the metrics. He didn't need to improve to be elite after that, he was already there.
As a running back he averaged 5.4 yards per attempt over the 38 NFL games he played in, which puts him up among the best in NFL history if he had enough attempts to qualify. Hall of fame RB Marcus Allen only averaged 3.8 ypa over the same time period for the same team, so it wasn't like it was his team carrying him.
He was elite in both sports when he was healthy and played, that's why people consider him elite.
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:06 pm to dukke v
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Why do you hate Bo so much????
Because he's a homer UGA fan who can't stand that someone could consider any RB as good or better than Hershel, and tries to tear him down as a consequence.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:27 pm to auyushu
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You keep bringing up strikeouts like that means anything. Strikeouts mean jack crap for an offensive player unless you are trying to compare two completely equal in every way offensive players.
Strikeouts and low batting average explains that Bo traded contact rate for power.
He was a career .250 hitter with good home runs numbers and good doubles numbers. His on base percentage was crap. His career OPS was average for an OF. Maybe even below average for the position.
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No, the argument for Bo is that he was elite at the time of his injury. His last season before injury (1990) he was in the top 20 of MLB for wRC+, wOBA, and OPS. And he was 27, so he was just entering his prime as a baseball player.
Didn't I just say the prime for a baseball player is 28? So to imply that he was going to string together a long run of productive years is false.
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As a running back he averaged 5.4 yards per attempt over the 38 NFL games he played in, which puts him up among the best in NFL history if he had enough attempts to qualify. Hall of fame RB Marcus Allen only averaged 3.8 ypa over the same time period for the same team, so it wasn't like it was his team carrying him.
So Marcus Allen sucks but they decided to give him the ball more in games because he sucks?
The only time Bo was "the guy" was when Allen was injured.
Bo absolutely was productive for his limited reps. As I said... the best backup RB ever. But you and I know all about backup RBs and their ypr. It doesn't translate when they become "the guy".
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He was elite in both sports when he was healthy and played, that's why people consider him elite.
People consider him elite because Nike put him on the same pedestal as Michael Jordan. You get that type of treatment from Madison Ave and a career backup RB in the NFL who hits a career .250 in the majors is considered elite.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 10:29 pm to dukke v
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Why do you hate Bo so much????
I don't.
I said he was the better athlete than Deion.
I said he may be the nicest athlete ever.
Quote anything I said which wasn't factual about Bo.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:21 am to meansonny
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So Marcus Allen sucks but they decided to give him the ball more in games because he sucks? The only time Bo was "the guy" was when Allen was injured.
Holy crap you have no clue what you are talking about. They split carries down the middle the entire time they played together, except when one or the other was injured. The difference in their overall carries each season came from Bo not playing until October. There were numerous games where Bo had far more carries than Allen.
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Didn't I just say the prime for a baseball player is 28?
Do you not understand what the term prime means? It means they are at the peak of their skills. Most players are at their most productive from 27-29, they don't drop off a cliff then. Players start to drop off in their early 30s typically in MLB. And given that Bo had far less experience in baseball than the typical MLB player he was easily still developing, as his improving numbers each year he played easily show.
Bo was 10th in OF OPS in MLB in 1990, and 16th in OF OPS in 1989, so once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 1:49 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:34 am to meansonny
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In 130 games, Bo led all of MLB in strike outs for the 1 season that he was an all star.
In "Trouble with the Curve" movie, the hotshot prospect that everyone is in love with because he hits bombs is named Bo Gentry.
The knock on Bo Jackson was that he couldn't hit Uncle Charlie but people still salivated over him because of his power.
Regardless of his all-around MLB bonafides, he's still by far a better all-around athlete than Deion Sanders. Bo would join the Raiders at around week 7 and immediately be the best running back in the league for half a season.
Bo won two State Decathlon Titles in a row and he didn't even run the Mile because he had an insurmountable lead.
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“The last event was the mile,” said Atchison, who was also the track coach. “You can imagine him, 218 pounds and built like that. Anything over 400 yards and he’s ready to cash it in.
“He asked me, ‘Coach, if I’m so far ahead nobody can catch me, do I have to run the mile?’
“I said, ‘If you’re that far ahead, you don’t have to run, but we better wait and see. There’s some pretty good guys.’
“And I mean, the guy--he ran a 9.7 100 yards. That was the max. If you ran 9.8, you got 1,000 points.
“He threw the discus over 150 feet. That was the max. He threw the shot over 50 feet. That was the max. He triple-jumped over 44 feet. That was the max. He ran the hurdles in 12.9, and I think 13 was the max.
“We didn’t even have a track at our high school. We have no pits or anything, and you have to pole vault in the decathlon. We couldn’t even find anyone to loan us a pole because most poles aren’t made for someone who weighs 218 pounds.
“Another high school let us borrow one, a pole for a 180-pounder. Bo used that and pole vaulted 12-6--and never touched a pole until the day he walked out on the track. I really didn’t know if it would hold him up or not.
“But again, after about three tries, he looked like he’d been pole vaulting all his life. Bo’s the kind of guy, he can watch somebody do something and do it.
“I can remember his senior year in high school, we went to the state track meet. The state record in the triple jump was 44 feet. Bo had jumped 44 during the season, but this was the state meet. Well, with only one jump left, a kid from Fayette goes 47-8. Everybody in the stands is going, ‘Oh, that record will never be broken. That’s over 3 feet longer than the old record.’
“Bo had one jump left. I’m sitting there with my assistant coaches, and he goes after this kid--and he goes 48-8. And I mean, you knew when he was sitting in the pit he had broken it. That’s what I mean. Had that kid jumped 48 feet, Bo might have gone 49.
“I saw Bo his senior year in high school high jump 6-9 indoors. He still holds the indoor record. Two hundred eighteen pounds and he high jumps 6-9?
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 1:36 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:43 am to meansonny
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So Marcus Allen sucks but they decided to give him the ball more in games because he sucks?
The only time Bo was "the guy" was when Allen was injured.
Dude read up on the Raiders. Allen was great but got in a personal feud with Davis and Al put him in the doghouse and made him a blocking fullback for Bo.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 3:27 am to johnboyjax
They were both 2 sport athletes but Bo was a physical specimen. Prime was a crazy athlete dude to his speed. Bo had speed and power.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:37 am to johnboyjax
Jackson by a lot
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:00 am to johnboyjax
No question it’s Bo Jackson
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:14 am to meansonny
The uga melts really helped this thread deliver
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:24 am to RandySavage
It has made it fun…..
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:17 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Bo won two State Decathlon Titles in a row and he didn't even run the Mile because he had an insurmountable lead.
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“The last event was the mile,” said Atchison, who was also the track coach. “You can imagine him, 218 pounds and built like that. Anything over 400 yards and he’s ready to cash it in.
“He asked me, ‘Coach, if I’m so far ahead nobody can catch me, do I have to run the mile?’
“I said, ‘If you’re that far ahead, you don’t have to run, but we better wait and see. There’s some pretty good guys.’
“And I mean, the guy--he ran a 9.7 100 yards. That was the max. If you ran 9.8, you got 1,000 points.
“He threw the discus over 150 feet. That was the max. He threw the shot over 50 feet. That was the max. He triple-jumped over 44 feet. That was the max. He ran the hurdles in 12.9, and I think 13 was the max.
“We didn’t even have a track at our high school. We have no pits or anything, and you have to pole vault in the decathlon. We couldn’t even find anyone to loan us a pole because most poles aren’t made for someone who weighs 218 pounds.
“Another high school let us borrow one, a pole for a 180-pounder. Bo used that and pole vaulted 12-6--and never touched a pole until the day he walked out on the track. I really didn’t know if it would hold him up or not.
“But again, after about three tries, he looked like he’d been pole vaulting all his life. Bo’s the kind of guy, he can watch somebody do something and do it.
“I can remember his senior year in high school, we went to the state track meet. The state record in the triple jump was 44 feet. Bo had jumped 44 during the season, but this was the state meet. Well, with only one jump left, a kid from Fayette goes 47-8. Everybody in the stands is going, ‘Oh, that record will never be broken. That’s over 3 feet longer than the old record.’
“Bo had one jump left. I’m sitting there with my assistant coaches, and he goes after this kid--and he goes 48-8. And I mean, you knew when he was sitting in the pit he had broken it. That’s what I mean. Had that kid jumped 48 feet, Bo might have gone 49.
“I saw Bo his senior year in high school high jump 6-9 indoors. He still holds the indoor record. Two hundred eighteen pounds and he high jumps 6-9?
So you are telling me that all of the decathletes who were better than Bo are better athletes?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:07 pm to meansonny
I guess, at this point in the thread, we should surmise, Bo apparently left you at the Altar.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 4:14 pm to johnboyjax
Pretty sure Bo ran pretty close to a 10 sec 100 meters in college.
No way Prime could do something like that…
No way Prime could do something like that…
Posted on 6/24/23 at 4:30 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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Prime wasn’t a great athlete
How many guys in the history of the world have had professional careers in two sports?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 4:40 pm to Antonio Moss
The person saying that sanders wasn’t a good athlete is just plain stupid
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