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re: ATL Thread: 7/13 vs Metropolitans
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:17 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:17 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
If you really think the Mets' lineup isn't top twenty when it's third in OBP you're just making an arse of yourself
It's okay to admit that other teams have good players. I can admit that Acuña/Swanson/Riley/Olson is one of the scariest first fours in baseball
It's okay to admit that other teams have good players. I can admit that Acuña/Swanson/Riley/Olson is one of the scariest first fours in baseball
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:17 pm to GatorsGators
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marginally better
You’re fricking kidding yourself. This Braves line up top to bottom is twice the mets line up.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:18 pm to Hailstate15
I think Rosario/Duavll platooning is perfectly fine.
And Rosario has had good AB's since he came back, 3 hits today and a HR.
The offense is not this team's weakness.
And Rosario has had good AB's since he came back, 3 hits today and a HR.
The offense is not this team's weakness.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:18 pm to Hailstate15
Again, I'll take my shot with
Nimmo
Marte
Lindor
Alonso
McNeil
Canha
We need another power bat but that's a very solid OBP-driven lineup
Nimmo
Marte
Lindor
Alonso
McNeil
Canha
We need another power bat but that's a very solid OBP-driven lineup
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:22 pm to GatorsGators
OBP is nice during the regular season but stringing together singles in the PS is a different animal when you are going against premium pitching. You have to have some semblance of power from more than 2 guys(Lindor and Alonso).
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. Acuña/Swanson/Riley/Olson/D'arNaud(Contreras) is one of the scariest top-5's in baseball
FIXED.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:30 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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What weaknesses would those be IYO?
B/c I really don't see any. We just didn't pitch up to our capabilities this series. That's all..It happens.
And LOL @ Mers fans ITT thinking this series is some kind of mandate and that the Mets have a better lineup.
You responded to the wrong person. I was responding to the quote that you quoted me as saying.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:34 pm to Metaloctopus
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You responded to the wrong person. I was responding to the quote that you quoted me as saying.
I know. I was too lazy to go back.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:41 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Loss sucked but this was our 16th straight game. They haven't had a day off in over 2 weeks, and don't get one til the all star break.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:47 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
I don't think it's honest to say "X is the best way to build a roster that can win in the playoffs." The playoffs are a shitshow. You guys rode Adam Duvall and Joc Pederson to a WS. We almost won one in 2015 with Daniel Murphy suddenly becoming a god in the playoffs but lost to a led by Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas. Who's to say Starling Marte couldn't get scorching hot in a playoff series and lead the Mets?
The Braves have really gone all-in on a certain kind of high-whiff, high-impact hitter, and good for you guys. It's not the only way to build a lineup and we'll see at the end of the season which strategy wins.
The Braves have really gone all-in on a certain kind of high-whiff, high-impact hitter, and good for you guys. It's not the only way to build a lineup and we'll see at the end of the season which strategy wins.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 5:51 pm to GatorsGators
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But the Mets have considerably better pitching at full strength
Not sure I agree with this. It’s a philosophical argument just like the hitting imo. Braves BP is the best in the league by virtually any measure predictive or results based and they are still missing Yates. deGrom, Scherzer and Diaz are all the elite of the elite but there’s a huge difference in quality of depth.
These teams are built exactly opposite pitching wise as well. Braves are not very reliant on their starters to go deep in to games and are built with waves and waves of BP guys. I assume in the playoffs the Mets are going to lean heavily on their front line starters and piece it together to try to get to Diaz.
The Braves have Fried, Wright and maybe Soroka who are solid but none are going to be relied on to go deep in to games at all. 5 innings is more than enough and often times guys not named Fried have been capped at 4. Braves pulled Fried after 73 pitches in game 6 of the WS last year and he hadn’t even come close to giving up a run. I assume Strider will go to the pen as well to give them more flexibility with his usage, as well and another weapon. Their MO in the playoffs over the 28 playoff games they’ve played the last two years has essentially been to turn it over to the bullpen as early as possible and just unleash max effort stuff from 3-4 top line guys the second half of every game.
In regular season games Scherzer vs. Wright (just as an example) is a huge disadvantage for the Braves because both guys are going to be ridden as long as possible and odds are Scherzer is going to be better longer than Wright, but in the playoffs that turns into Scherzer vs. Wright 1-1.5 times through and then one inning each of Matzek/Strider/McHugh/Yates/Minter/Jansen
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:07 pm to volfan30
Point taken about the pen but as far as the regular season goes, the Mets also have superior SP depth -- Scherzer, deGrom, Bassit, Carrasco, Walker, Peterson, and maybe Megill in a month is considerably better than Wright, Fried, Soroka, Morton, Strider, Anderson, and Muller.
We're talking about the playoffs already and ideal roster construction for the playoffs but you still have to get there first. Also, guys like Megill should factor into the pen for the Mets down the stretch and in a potential playoff roster.
We're talking about the playoffs already and ideal roster construction for the playoffs but you still have to get there first. Also, guys like Megill should factor into the pen for the Mets down the stretch and in a potential playoff roster.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:22 pm to GatorsGators
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I don't think it's honest to say "X is the best way to build a roster that can win in the playoffs." The playoffs are a shitshow. You guys rode Adam Duvall and Joc Pederson to a WS. We almost won one in 2015 with Daniel Murphy suddenly becoming a god in the playoffs but lost to a led by Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas. Who's to say Starling Marte couldn't get scorching hot in a playoff series and lead the Mets?
We actually rode Pederson, Rosario and Soler, and a dominant bullpen. But, who's worried about facts.
The Braves have pretty much had the best rotation in baseball over the last month and a half, and that's with Ian Anderson mostly struggling. You keep forgetting the Braves are getting Soroka back soon, as well. At full strength, the Mets might DeGrom and Scherzer, sure, but with a healthy Soroka, the Braves could have five top of the rotation arms, not including Anderson, who is a third pitch away from being a 6th. Right now, he's an inconsistent pitcher with an unknown ceiling.
I know Mets fans are irritated at having their lineup criticized, but their numbers have been steadily dropping, and will only continue to drop as the baseball luck evens itself out. The Mets' own media are calling them anemic. I know McNeil and Marte missed the series, but they've been scuffling even with those guys.
Mark Canha, who I keep seeing Mets fans bringing up as part of their "core" is a career .247 hitter with little power to make up for his lack of being a very good hitter. If you're counting on him to be one of your guys to carry you, that's not great. And the Braves are still without Albies, which Mets fans keep ignoring, while they tell us about their boo boo's
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:23 pm to GatorsGators
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Scherzer, deGrom, Bassit, Carrasco, Walker, Peterson, and maybe Megill in a month is considerably better than Wright, Fried, Soroka, Morton, Strider, Anderson, and Muller.
You just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about. What a joke of a comment.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:24 pm to GatorsGators
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You guys rode Adam Duvall and Joc Pederson to a WS.
You forgot Eddie Rosario and Jorge Soler.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:27 pm to GatorsGators
A deep bullpen and power in the lineup wins WS now. See the Braves last year, Dodgers in 20, and the Royals in
15.
And the Braves have the deepest pen in the league. Especially once Yates gets back.
15.
And the Braves have the deepest pen in the league. Especially once Yates gets back.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:28 pm to Metaloctopus
I mean if sxhercber and deform are at their best and Ian and Morton struggle it’s not insane
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:28 pm to Metaloctopus
ok
I'd take our 7-deep SPs over your 7-deep SPs in a heartbeat. You are free to disagree but I'm familiar with your guys.
I'd take our 7-deep SPs over your 7-deep SPs in a heartbeat. You are free to disagree but I'm familiar with your guys.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:31 pm to GatorsGators
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Bassit, Carrasco, Walker, Peterson, and maybe Megill in a month is considerably better than Wright, Fried, Soroka, Morton, Strider, Anderson, and Muller.
You need to leave the discussion and let the adults talk.
Jesus Christ.
Posted on 7/13/22 at 6:32 pm to GatorsGators
And criticizing Canha for his batting average is a bit strange -- he has a .376 OBP over the past four seasons. He's a good baseball player.
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