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re: ATL Thread | 2023 Spring Training discussion + hot takes
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:02 am to Broski
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:02 am to Broski
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Do you realistically think we re-sign Fried?
Fried is the Braves MLBPA rep. He won't sign early and he will get to free agency. Braves fans need to let go of the idea of extending Fried.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:04 am to Broski
I am not sure about re-signing Fried. Based off of the last 2 big time free agents - NO.
I think we should. Ace starting pitching is the most important piece to any team, and he is that.
I think it's going to be expensive - like $30 mill per.
And I think we will at least have a chance to do so, because we aren't currently over-paying for anyone else on the 26 man roster.
But as of right now, our 2 highest paid pitchers are an aging veteran ($20 mill) and our closer ($16 mill). We don't have a lot of dollars allocated for Starting Pitching .... right now. At some point, that'll have to change.
I think we should. Ace starting pitching is the most important piece to any team, and he is that.
I think it's going to be expensive - like $30 mill per.
And I think we will at least have a chance to do so, because we aren't currently over-paying for anyone else on the 26 man roster.
But as of right now, our 2 highest paid pitchers are an aging veteran ($20 mill) and our closer ($16 mill). We don't have a lot of dollars allocated for Starting Pitching .... right now. At some point, that'll have to change.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:10 am to VADawg
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Fried is the Braves MLBPA rep. He won't sign early and he will get to free agency. Braves fans need to let go of the idea of extending Fried.
That's my point. I have no reason to believe we even put together a competitive offer for Fried... and considering what our nucleus is and what our direct competitors are doing, that would be a mistake.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:25 am to Broski
I agree. I strongly believe that we will need Elite level pitching in the post-season. Every year.
And not re-signing Fried, in my opinion, may be the most costly loss.
And not re-signing Fried, in my opinion, may be the most costly loss.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:29 am to wheelz007
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And I think we will at least have a chance to do so, because we aren't currently over-paying for anyone else on the 26 man roster.
AA won't overpay for Fried either. Like it or not, he seems to be awesome at removing emotions from his decision making (which is a VERY smart thing to do). The best GMs don't think like fans.
IMO, AA doesn't want to overpay someone in his view because he doesn't want to set a precedent to players and agents that they can get him to go higher than he's comfortable.
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That's my point. I have no reason to believe we even put together a competitive offer for Fried... and considering what our nucleus is and what our direct competitors are doing, that would be a mistake.
He has also shown that he won't make reactionary moves to what other teams do. The Phillies are going to have a ton of dead money on the books down the road, but they don't care because their owner will probably be dead by then and Dombrowski will be retired. The Braves don't have an owner who will be dead and can inject extra cash into the team whenever he feels like it (LM can't do this because it is against SEC rules, which corporations take very seriously), and AA won't be retired in 7 years.
This team will never have a Mets/Phillies/Dodgers/Yankees payroll. It just isn't going to happen.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:32 am to Broski
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Do you realistically think we re-sign Fried?
Based on the upgrades Philadephia just made and the deep pockets of the Mets, yes.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:33 am to VADawg
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IMO, AA doesn't want to overpay someone in his view because he doesn't want to set a precedent to players and agents that they can get him to go higher than he's comfortable.
But it goes back to what I said earlier, what does "overpay" actually mean?
An overpay now becomes market value a year or two later.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:36 am to Broski
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An overpay now becomes market value a year or two later.
No, it just doesn't look as bad when other teams go even more full retard.
The Phillies make these huge signings thinking they'll deal with the dead money later when the problem comes. The Braves don't operate like that, although I don't think backloading all of the extensions was a smart thing. I think they should have been staggered between frontloaded and backloaded.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:45 am to VADawg
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No, it just doesn't look as bad when other teams go even more full retard.
The market is the market until the bubble bursts, which won't be happening anytime soon, especially if/when MLB gets a big payday from a steaming service for the majority of its local TV rights.
I'm not saying we should dish out 10 year deals like some teams are doing where they are in full-on win-now mode and not worrying about paying dudes into their 40's. But we have to be more competitive in the free agent market when it comes to AAV and that will increase across the board each season.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:47 am to Broski
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Iglesias has shoulder inflammation, won't throw for at least a week and will start the season on the IL.
That's no bueno.
Now the Mets and the Braves start the RS w/o their closers. Time for AJ to step in for a while.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:11 pm to VADawg
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This team will never have a Mets/Phillies/Dodgers/Yankees payroll. It just isn't going to happen.
Revisiting this, it's kind of ridiculous to just accept this and be ok with it.
The team plays in one of the biggest media markets in the country and has tremendous fan support since the move to Cobb. I'm not saying we should expect to have an owner like Cohen come in and bankroll us with limitless funds, but we really should be a much bigger player in free agency than we are. Like under no circumstance should the A's being spending more FA money than us in an offseason, but that just happened. Liberty Media really fricks us.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:14 pm to Broski
Anyway, Braves are taking on the Mets on MLBN right now. Acuna in the lineup for the first time since the WBC and Shuster is on the mound.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:21 pm to Broski
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Like under no circumstance should the A's being spending more FA money than us in an offseason, but that just happened.
The Braves spent all of their money during the season (Riley, Harris, Strider) and traded for Oakland's best player two offseasons in a row.
I'm not sure where you expect all of this extra money to magically come from. The Braves' finances are public for everyone to see. Liberty Media cannot inject extra cash into the team. That's illegal. You want guys to take paycuts? You want them to charge more for tickets? Concessions?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:23 pm to VADawg
First Bally game with new announcer. I’m a fan.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:24 pm to auzach91
I think Gaudin is going to be really good.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:29 pm to VADawg
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The Braves spent all of their money during the season (Riley, Harris, Strider) and traded for Oakland's best player two offseasons in a row.
I'm not sure where you expect all of this extra money to magically come from. The Braves' finances are public for everyone to see. Liberty Media cannot inject extra cash into the team. That's illegal. You want guys to take paycuts? You want them to charge more for tickets? Concessions?
You're missing my overall point while trying to catch any pitfall in my argument.
I'm saying, for what we are as a franchise and what we want to be as a team, we're going to need a better ownership group.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:38 pm to Broski
TDAs gotta get that. Thankfully it’s spring training.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:41 pm to auzach91
Hoskins looks to have suffered a significant knee injury in Phillies ST.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:45 pm to volfan30
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Hoskins looks to have suffered a significant knee injury in Phillies ST.
Tweet with video
That doesn't look good.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:15 pm to VADawg
Olson leads the spring training home run total with 7.
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