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re: ATL Thread | 2023 Spring Training discussion + hot takes
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:16 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:16 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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The whole leadership issue is overblown in baseball IMO.
Lol no it's not. It's not the end all, be all, but it does have its merits.
Also, how can you say that it's overblown when you literally just said you don't want to sign big name free agents for fear of messing up the chemistry?
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Even saying that, I think Ozzie is the unquestioned leader of the clubhouse and actually has been the vocal/emotional leader even when Dansby and Freddie were here.
Did you just copy/paste this from when you said the same thing about Dansby at this time last year after Freddie left?
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:18 pm
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:19 pm to Broski
The Braves are fine and AA builds the organization the right way. You can talk about losing Freddie and Dansby all day if you want but in the end baseball is about pitching in October and November. The Braves lost to the Phillies because Strider was injured not because we didn’t have Freddie. And whether the Braves win or lose this year won’t be because we didn’t sign Dansby. The Braves pitching staff is head and shoulders above the Mets and Phillies. You can talk about Verlander and Scherzer all day like most will. But those are 2 guys out of an entire staff that is not strong. The Phillies have a very weak pen which cost them a World Series. The Braves will make a move or two like always and they’ll be playing in September. Hopefully, they manage the SP’s throughout the season so everyone is healthy going into October when it matters.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:20 pm to RunningJacket
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The Braves pitching staff is head and shoulders above the Mets and Phillies.
We have a good pitching staff, but it is definitely not head and shoulders better than those two staffs.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:21 pm to Broski
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Lindor is going to be better this year.
Eh, even if he is, their lineup isn't nearly as deep and length as ours. I'm not buying Lindor though.
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Their pitching shut us down when it mattered most last year and they improved the bullpen this year.
They got hot at the right time, just like we did in '21. You know more often than not the WS winner is more the hot team than the best team, though last year the best team won in HOU. The Braves used up all their energy catching NY. Plus having Strider coming back cold off of injury and Max still not fully recovered from the stomach flu didn't help.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:22 pm to Broski
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Did you just copy/paste this from when you said the same thing about Dansby at this time last year after Freddie left?
No. That was completely organic.
Ozzie is/has been the emotional leader. Look at how he cussed out Ozuna for loafing on the bases. Dude has the respect of everyone in that room. Latin and Anglo.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:39 pm to Broski
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I think AA fails to understand that the contracts that seem a little expensive now actually become market value or a bargain within a year or two with how the spending is going.
Ehh, this sounds a lot like football fans who try and justify overpaying a QB. Just because other teams get reckless with ridiculous free agent contracts doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do.
I also heard AA's interview on 680 yesterday and he made a really good point about preferring a team with a bunch of good players and solid depth as opposed to the "stars and scrubs" model (his words). I can't say I disagree with that.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:39 pm to auzach91
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CF we still don’t know for sure
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Heyward
This is a bad comparison.
Mike is gonna be a superstar. When Chipper says the same thing, you know he's special. And Chipper doesn't throw out platitudes easily.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:42 pm to auzach91
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CF we still don’t know for sure. Heyward looked like he was gonna be an allstar when he first came up and didn’t pan out like we thought. You just never know giving rookies big contracts. Sooner or later AA will miss on one.
Correct. The sheer volume of extensions he's given out says that at least one of them will not pan out.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:43 pm to RunningJacket
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The Braves pitching staff is head and shoulders above the Mets and Phillies
You are fricking delusional. You guys have a good staff but “head and shoulders” is laughable
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:43 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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When Chipper says the same thing
This doesn't mean anything, Chipper said that about Heyward.
What does matter is Mike's hitting metrics.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:43 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
All of 2021, Freddie is the leader and trust AA he will get it done > All of 2022, Dansby is the leader and trust AA he will get it done > Ozzie has always been the leader. And as always, trust AA.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:45 pm to VADawg
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I also heard AA's interview on 680 yesterday and he made a really good point about preferring a team with a bunch of good players and solid depth as opposed to the "stars and scrubs" model (his words). I can't say I disagree with that.
Sure, but I don't think keeping Dansby turns us into a stars and scrubs model.
What I do know is that we have a scrub starting at SS on opening day.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:46 pm to Broski
Broski.. do you see why other fans hate your retard fanbase, particularly on this board? 
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:47 pm to VADawg
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I also heard AA's interview on 680 yesterday and he made a really good point about preferring a team with a bunch of good players and solid depth as opposed to the "stars and scrubs" model (his words). I can't say I disagree with that.
I alluded to the same thing a page back.
He isn't wrong.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:48 pm to Broski
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Chipper said that about Heyward
No he didn't.
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What does matter is Mike's hitting metrics.
Agreed.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:48 pm to POCKET
Oh frick off.
If all you're gonna do is try to twist my words instead of actually trying to engage and have a discussion, then don't engage me.
If all you're gonna do is try to twist my words instead of actually trying to engage and have a discussion, then don't engage me.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:49 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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No he didn't.
Just so we're clear, you really want to double-down on this misinformation you're spewing that Chipper Jones didn't say in 2010 that Jason Heyward would be a superstar?
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:51 pm to Broski
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Sure, but I don't think keeping Dansby turns us into a stars and scrubs model.
We don't have Steve Cohen as an owner. Can't sign everyone. Eventually, guys are going to price themselves out of town. Re-signing Freddie and Dansby probably means the Riley, Harris, and/or Strider extensions get put on the backburner.
Someone is going to offer Fried $200M in free agency, and the Braves won't match it. It happens. It will be smart not to match that because the other extensions were all backloaded (this might be a real issue down the road, btw).
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:51 pm to Broski
I didn't think he was as bullish on Heyward as he is Mike, but I could definitely be off-base.
That was going on 13 years ago. I can barely remember what I said last week.
That was going on 13 years ago. I can barely remember what I said last week.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:53 pm to VADawg
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Re-signing Freddie and Dansby probably means the Riley, Harris, and/or Strider extensions get put on the backburner.
I don't think so. What we gave Olson is on par with what we reportedly offered Freddie.
As for Dansby, don't brag about the battery making us a big payroll contender and then come out and say Dansby would've taken a discount.
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