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At 11:59 PM EST tonight... the MLB players get locked out ending 26.5 years of labor peace
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:54 pm
AP Story
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IRVING, Texas (AP) — The clock ticked down Wednesday toward the expiration of Major League Baseball’s collective bargaining agreement at 11:59 p.m. EST and a likely management lockout ending the sport’s labor peace at 9,740 days over 26 1/2 years.
After successfully reaching four consecutive agreements without a stoppage, players and owners have appeared headed for a confrontation for more than two years.
“The lockout seemes like a very likely scenario,” pitcher Max Scherzer, a member of the union’s executive committee, said Wednesday after finalizing his contract with the New York Mets.
The union demanded change following anger over a declining average salary, middle-class players forced out by teams concentrating payroll on the wealthy and veterans jettisoned in favor of lower-paid youth, especially among clubs tearing down their rosters to rebuild.
“As players we see major problems with it,” Scherzer said of the 2016 agreement. “First and foremost, we see a competition problem and how teams are behaving because of certain rules that are within that, and adjustments have to be made because of that in order to bring out the competition.”
Management, intent on preserving salary restraints gained in recent decades, rejected the union’s requests for what teams regarded as significant alterations to the sport’s economic structure, including lowering service time needed for free agency and salary arbitration.
Many clubs scrambled to add players ahead of a lockout and an expected signing freeze, committing more than $1.9 billion in new contracts. Among them were big deals for two of the eight members of the union’s executive subcommittee: Texas infielder Marcus Semien ($175 million) and Scherzer ($130 million).
“This is actually kind of fun,” Scherzer said. “I’m a fan of the game, and to watch everybody sign right now, to actually see teams competing in this kind of timely fashion, it’s been refreshing because we’ve seen freezes for the past several offseasons.”
Much has changed since the 232-day strike that cut short the 1994 season, led to the first cancellation of the World Series in 90 years and caused the 1995 season to start late. That stoppage ended only when a federal judge — future Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor — issued an injunction forcing owners to restore the work rules of the expired labor contract.
The average salary dropped from $1.17 million before the strike to $1.11 million but then resumed its seemingly inexorable rise. It peaked at just under $4.1 million in 2017, the first season of the latest CBA, but likely will fall to about $3.7 million when this year’s final figures are calculated.
That money is concentrated heavily at the top of the salary structure. Among approximately 1,955 players who signed major league contracts at any point going into the regular season’s final month, 112 had earned $10 million or more this year as of Aug. 31, of which 40 made at least $20 million, including prorated shares of signing bonuses.
There were 1,397 earning under $1 million, of which 1,271 were at $600,000 or less and 332 under $100,000, a group of younger players who shuttle back and forth to the minors.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:58 pm to rt3
More millionaires fighting with billionaires over who gets more millions. Yay.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:05 pm to rt3
quote:Bookended by two Atlanta Braves World Championships.
26.5 years of labor peace
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:08 pm to rt3
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Many clubs scrambled to add players ahead of a lockout and an expected signing freeze, committing more than $1.9 billion in new contracts.
I'm free market and I love baseball. But this right here is not going to make anyone feel sorry for the players union. I think they should definitely do something about younger players getting screwed for so many years, but I doubt Max would be willing to shed his obscene salary to help out a few 2nd year players.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:09 pm to Master of Sinanju
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Bookended by two Atlanta Braves World Championships.
Bastards ruin everything
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:16 pm to rt3
MLB is too stupid to read the room.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:43 pm to rt3
After watching their pissing match during covid, this was pretty much inevitable.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 3:46 pm to CocomoLSU
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This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 4:03 pm to rt3
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The union demanded change following anger over a declining average salary, middle-class players forced out by teams concentrating payroll on the wealthy and veterans jettisoned in favor of lower-paid youth, especially among clubs tearing down their rosters to rebuild.
Cry me a freaking river. That's business. And the salaries are through the roof. If you aren't good enough to make as much as other players, welcome to the world of everyone else. We don't get paid more by complaining that people with more job skills than us, make more than us. You don't like your contract? Then don't sign it. Go flip some burgers and live in an apartment. I detest labor unions.
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 4:56 pm to Metaloctopus
Wouldn't signing players to big deals when they're younger actually help the clubs mitigate risk?
For the past 15 years, the only guys getting huge deals are basically 29-32 years old and the they want long term deals that essentially kill the ball club on the back half of the agreement because the player is basically worthless after 35 or 36 yrs old.
Most MLB guys don't even get to the majors till they're 22-25 and then they are locked into rookie deals for 4-5 years and then you see what we have seen, where a 30 year old gets a 10-year deal that everyone knows will be a disaster for half the contract.
Why not juat load up on guys in their prime and then cut them smaller deals when they're in their 30s?
For the past 15 years, the only guys getting huge deals are basically 29-32 years old and the they want long term deals that essentially kill the ball club on the back half of the agreement because the player is basically worthless after 35 or 36 yrs old.
Most MLB guys don't even get to the majors till they're 22-25 and then they are locked into rookie deals for 4-5 years and then you see what we have seen, where a 30 year old gets a 10-year deal that everyone knows will be a disaster for half the contract.
Why not juat load up on guys in their prime and then cut them smaller deals when they're in their 30s?
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 5:04 pm to Metaloctopus
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Cry me a freaking river. That's business. And the salaries are through the roof. If you aren't good enough to make as much as other players, welcome to the world of everyone else. We don't get paid more by complaining that people with more job skills than us, make more than us. You don't like your contract? Then don't sign it. Go flip some burgers and live in an apartment. I detest labor unions.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:43 pm to WestCoastAg
I can't fathom what it must be like to have such an empty, shallow personality. You never do anything but post emoticons, and have no thoughts to contribute.
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:44 pm to Jack Ruby
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:04 pm to Jack Ruby
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Wouldn't signing players to big deals when they're younger actually help the clubs mitigate risk?
You have to have A LOT of confidence in a player to do that. Because the thing about young players is that you usually don't know what you have until that rookie contract is up. For those young players who have transcendent talent, we have already seen them being locked up early. Acuna and Tatis immediately come to mind. The Rays gave Wander Franco a big deal, for some reason, even though he really hasn't proven a lot. He was "good", and I know the expectations are huge for him, but you'd think they'd at least let him play a full season before spending that kind of money.
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For the past 15 years, the only guys getting huge deals are basically 29-32 years old and the they want long term deals that essentially kill the ball club on the back half of the agreement because the player is basically worthless after 35 or 36 yrs old.
Most MLB guys don't even get to the majors till they're 22-25 and then they are locked into rookie deals for 4-5 years and then you see what we have seen, where a 30 year old gets a 10-year deal that everyone knows will be a disaster for half the contract.
This is true, and it's frustrating, but it's also why the players union doesn't really have much of a case. A lot of players refuse to do deals before they become free agents, because they want to test the waters. From there, it becomes a bidding war, and these players are the one's demanding these unreasonable contract lengths in their late 20's and early 30's. The exorbitant cost of competing in the free agent market for top players is naturally going to cap what everyone else can make. So the players union is going to have to do something about bringing down the demand for such long term deals. I don't see them doing that.
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Why not juat load up on guys in their prime and then cut them smaller deals when they're in their 30s?
Again, I think that's a little too risky. There needs to be a happy medium, where teams aren't throwing money at unproven players, but also aren't forced to meet the crazy demands of these 30ish guys asking for 10 years. But I don't know how that medium can be reached. Teams will just have to take risks, one way or another. The idea is to scout well and make sure (as much as possible) that you know what you're investing in, and be willing to let guys walk if you have to.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:21 pm to WestCoastAg
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Melt
Clearly, you don't even know that this term means. You're embarrassing.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:16 pm to rt3
Shut they are going to have to cancel next weeks games
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