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any Pot Limit Omaha players here
Posted on 7/31/17 at 4:41 am
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 5:47 am to Ghazi
I once smoked a limited amount of pot in Omaha.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 6:42 am to Ghazi
I've played PLO a bit. It's arguably a better gamble than Hold 'em, but I'm not very good at it. Plus, it's hard to improve since fewer people play it.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 6:56 am to Ghazi
Yes I play.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:15 am to Ghazi
Any shadow boxers in here?
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:50 am to Ghazi
I don't have the bankroll for it, but I understand it well.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 7:53 am to TheWalrus
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I don't have the bankroll for it, but I understand it well.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:19 am to Ghazi
it's an interesting game but i've learned that losing pre and post flop edges requires a super soft table AND a great run to really make it work long term. i'm talking live not online
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's an interesting game but i've learned that losing pre and post flop edges requires a super soft table AND a great run to really make it work long term. i'm talking live not online
This literally makes no sense, not even sure what you are trying to say.
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:00 pm to Seeing Grey
PLO has a dramatically deceased edge pre and post flop compared to NLHE (not including those words hopefully is the only reason you got confused). in live play, given this loss of edge, the only way to be profitable live is to have (1) a super soft table and (2) run good. you have to have both, b/c a table of grinders will require running white hot to profit above NLHE and even with a super soft table, you're going to be running into constant muli-way pots with all of them holding 4 cards. bloating pots and persons in the pot in PLO makes it close to legit pure gamling
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well to be fair, that's a pretty important part of the sentence to make sense. However, the statement is still incorrect. Sure, the allin equities are less dominated in NLHE than PLO, which can affect variance, but don't get that confused with affecting possible edge. Thankfully poker is more than just allin equities, which edge is greater 1 80/20, or 10 65/35's?
How you describe PLO is a common view held by NHLE nut peddlers who attempt to play PLO and just write if off as a degen game. However, the skill and possible edge in PLO is larger, especially live, than NLHE. Think about it this way, if you can't get someone into many dominated position preflop in PLO, your opponent can't get you into many dominated positions either. It cuts both ways.
How you describe PLO is a common view held by NHLE nut peddlers who attempt to play PLO and just write if off as a degen game. However, the skill and possible edge in PLO is larger, especially live, than NLHE. Think about it this way, if you can't get someone into many dominated position preflop in PLO, your opponent can't get you into many dominated positions either. It cuts both ways.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:42 pm to Seeing Grey
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Think about it this way, if you can't get someone into many dominated position preflop in PLO, your opponent can't get you into many dominated positions either. It cuts both ways.
but my bigger point was that soft games will not give you many single opponent scenarios like this. that's why they're soft. the rec players play too many hands and put in money behind often
the last time i played live PLO, every 6th or 7th hand was a 3+ person allin pre. that's bad enough in NLHE, but in PLO? you're just gambling at that point
*ETA: it's still likely +EV long term, but you'll need an insane number of buyins and hands (Which is tough live). that's why i said you had to have some run good
This post was edited on 7/31/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
PLO is better when you have a high and a low
Because you can have the low, and have 3 suckers trying to win high, and continue to raise or bet every round.
I remember first time i played, back in 95, and was dealt 3 a's, the board threw up a pair of K's. I was betting, raising like the Dickens. Pot was super fat, from me raising and guy with boat raising. I flipped over my 3 a's, only to find out i didnt have AAA over KK, i had AA KK. Was a very costly mistake.
Gmae can be very costly if you have a piece and cannot catch. You have to be able to throw away ur cards, trying to draw or suck out will crush you.
Because you can have the low, and have 3 suckers trying to win high, and continue to raise or bet every round.
I remember first time i played, back in 95, and was dealt 3 a's, the board threw up a pair of K's. I was betting, raising like the Dickens. Pot was super fat, from me raising and guy with boat raising. I flipped over my 3 a's, only to find out i didnt have AAA over KK, i had AA KK. Was a very costly mistake.
Gmae can be very costly if you have a piece and cannot catch. You have to be able to throw away ur cards, trying to draw or suck out will crush you.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:24 pm to SeeeeK
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Because you can have the low, and have 3 suckers trying to win high, and continue to raise or bet every round.
I was on the other end of this one time. I had the nut high, guy to my left had the second nut high and another one had the low. I bet limit on every round, call, call. the dude with the low hit joker on the river and made a better high than I had and scooped a huge pot. I nearly lost my mind.
Posted on 7/31/17 at 3:34 pm to MountainTiger
i saw an $8-10k pot once (5-5-10- game so mega BBs in the pot) with a flush over flush where a guy hit a gutter straight flush on the river. i was playing NLHE and just saw the action and went to observe and was like 
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:23 pm to Ghazi
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 6:17 am to SlowFlowPro
sfp agreed but on average PLO is much softer.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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PLO has a dramatically deceased edge pre and post flop compared to NLHE (not including those words hopefully is the only reason you got confused). in live play, given this loss of edge, the only way to be profitable live is to have (1) a super soft table and (2) run good. you have to have both, b/c a table of grinders will require running white hot to profit above NLHE and even with a super soft table, you're going to be running into constant muli-way pots with all of them holding 4 cards. bloating pots and persons in the pot in PLO makes it close to legit pure gamling
This is every point I could have made for why I don't play PLO, and the ones who downvoted you are the guys who 4 bet JJ26 triple suited and think they're ahead pre.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:49 am to brucevilanch
before i played PLO live i put in a LOT of time learning aspects of the game and i put in like 100-200 hours online (waste of time b/c it's a completely different game). it took 3 sessions for me to truly realize where the issues existed. i mean i had to abandon a lot of NLHE concepts i read over the past year (i've been playing NLHE for only like 18 months after playing limit for years...took 8 years off) because it was written for online play (where a 3 person pot is somewhat rare)
just for an example, i was UTG+2 in one session of 5-5-10 and 3bet UTG's raise to near pot ($150) with a super-strong holding (it was like AAJT double suited or some shite i forget exactly). the entire table calls the 3 bet (Which was large, but they give 0 fricks). pot was 900 on the flop
actually that hand is most notable b/c it was AK8 and i led out pot and a set of K and set of 8 folded. should ahve checked
just for an example, i was UTG+2 in one session of 5-5-10 and 3bet UTG's raise to near pot ($150) with a super-strong holding (it was like AAJT double suited or some shite i forget exactly). the entire table calls the 3 bet (Which was large, but they give 0 fricks). pot was 900 on the flop
actually that hand is most notable b/c it was AK8 and i led out pot and a set of K and set of 8 folded. should ahve checked
Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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set of K and set of 8 folded
jeez, they either have you figured out or they are the nittiest of nits
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