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re: Angels stop pursuing Teixeira
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:25 pm to Plucked
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:25 pm to Plucked
i dont think anyone has said he's over-rated. i dont think hes worth $23 mill, but i also dont think sabathia is worth $23 mill. maybe pujols or arod ... but tex? he's good and all but that long a term for that much, i wouldnt want my team to do it. just asking tt, would you want the mets to sign him for say 8 years $ 170 mill?
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Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:25 pm to geauxlsu07
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If Teix goes to Nats or O's its clearly will be for the money
no, if he goes to SF then it's clearly for the money. He loves the area he's from and if they're offering more money, I don't see how he could turn that down.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:26 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
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This shite has been going on ever since it became obvious that he wasnt going to stay in the ATL.
I never wanted him to stay because I knew he wasn't going to be worth what he was going to get. I was relieved they got something back for him.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:26 pm to geauxlsu07
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but didn't He go to the Rangers when they were winning?
No, I think they were last during his last season with Seattle and I think they remained last for a few seasons after he signedPosted on 12/21/08 at 9:27 pm to LfcSU3520
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probably true, but egos don't take reason into account.
Plus if he goes there it a sign of them taking things seriously which could lead to better things.
I agree with that. And let me just again point out that my criticism would only be reserved for the very elite who can pretty much go anywhere. I would never hold it against some mid-level guy for going wherever he wanted to.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:30 pm to Hot Carl
Smartass' point was valid that he's in a catch 22. Nothing he does will be looked upon highly just because of how much he's going to earn + the Boras factor. In all honesty, people in the game will look at it the same way as the fans will...but there isn't anybody anywhere who doesn't think he's in the absolute perfect situation for a player.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:30 pm to LSUsmartass
as a braves fan, i wasnt thrilled about trying to sign burnett, $17 mill for a guy that pitched one complete year ( which just so happens to be in his contract year ) is bullshite. i will bet about anything burnett in the next 3 years, his starts per year will look like 2009 - 28 2010 - 15 2011 - 20 ... i do hope we resume talks about peavy and re-ink smoltzie, and dont forget if redsox do get tex, they could resume talks about trading bay to the braves , also in the til is the pirates/braves trade ...
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:39 pm to LfcSU3520
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Smartass' point was valid that he's in a catch 22. Nothing he does will be looked upon highly just because of how much he's going to earn + the Boras factor.
I understand that, but for me, personally, I do not begrudge anybody for getting paid. I understand a lot of fans will be pissed at the money, but I won't be one of them. Unless it was my team, because I don't think he's worth it. Not that he's not very good, just not worth 25 per.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:39 pm to Hot Carl
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He was there for all of 1 season. And played well. And I was all for trading him and getting back whatever we could. I have absolutely zero hard feelings towards his time in Atlanta. You are making things up that are not there. Are you saying I can't objectively talk about anybody who ever played for the Braves? That's fricking absurd.
What I'm saying is that that pattern Ive seen on here is:
He came to ATL, he's a God, the best baseball player ever, he's going to save the Braves, the Braves will go on another 15 year playoff winning streak on the back of Tex's back.
The Braves stink it up DESPITE Tex's great state while he's in ATL, and the Braves are forced to trade him, and all of a sudden, since Braves fans know they have no shot to get him back, all of a sudden, there's no way he's worth what other teams are offering, simply because they can't afford it.
I'm not going to pretend that I'm not obsessed with all things Braves, because I am, thats my schtick on here, but don't pretend that Braves fans aren't obsessed with certain former players.
Its as if in your minds you have to justify finding some kind of a scapegoat for your season, and it became Teix, eventhough he was probably the single shining part of that team last year.
....but he was traded, so all of a sudden, he's overrated and not worth 8 years $200 million?
please.
and lets not be naive. We all know this is like buying a car. We keep hearing this magic $200 number, and we know its not going to be $200. It'll be between $180-$200.
A great defensive, switch hitting 1st baseman about to his his prime, who averages 36 HR's and 120 RBI a year isnt worth $23 mil/year in this market?
And Plucked, if the Mets could sign him at $170 for 8 years with that new RF overhang in CitiField (and paper grew on trees and I were the GM), I wouldn't even blink.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:41 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
It could very easily be 200 million, something like a 10 year deal with an opt at 8
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:42 pm to LSUsmartass
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something like a 10 year deal with an opt at 8
that opt might come even earlier
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:43 pm to LSUsmartass
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It could very easily be 200 million, something like a 10 year deal with an opt at 8
ok fine. I dont care so much about the total. You people look at that $200 million as if he's getting paid $50mil/year or something. if its over 10 years with an opt out after 8, im totally ok with that. IMO, this is a player to build your entire offense around for the next 8 years.
This post was edited on 12/21/08 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:48 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
It sure seems like you are the one that is so obsessed about the whole Texeira thing.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:50 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
tex was great in that last 1/3 of a season when we first got him, but he wasnt a god last year for us. now chipper is a different story and has been since 1994. of course thats why he's going into the hall ... as a mets fan, you know larry well .... dont ya tt
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:51 pm to Fububutsy
I am, Id love for him to be a Met. I don't pretend that he's going to be overpaid or that he's overrated , though, just because I don't think my team isn't going to be able to sign him.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:52 pm to Plucked
Am I the only Braves fan who really likes Kotchman?
This post was edited on 12/21/08 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:53 pm to Plucked
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of course thats why he's going into the hall ... as a mets fan, you know larry well .... dont ya tt
And you know my theory about that....Larry wanted to be a Met soooo bad...
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:53 pm to LSUsmartass
vs. who? As an everyday first baseman sure, but against Tex?
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:54 pm to ToplessTenors4evuh
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He came to ATL, he's a God, the best baseball player ever, he's going to save the Braves, the Braves will go on another 15 year playoff winning streak on the back of Tex's back.
Well, I never said any of this. I was a fan of his going back to his Georgia Tech days, and I followed his career with the Rangers every year. And I noticed how terrible he starts his seasons as a very fair criticism of him. I was happy to have him, but knew he was not good enough to overcome our terrible staff and bullpen.
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since Braves fans know they have no shot to get him back
After I found out what he'd be commanding, I didn't want the Braves to re-sign him. Not that they could have anyway. I was glad they got something back. I had absolutely no hard feelings, and even kept up with him with the Angels.
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all of a sudden, there's no way he's worth what other teams are offering
I think I might be the only one who said this, and it's only "all of a sudden" because we're just now finding out what teams are offering.
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simply because they can't afford it.
Whether or not the Braves can afford him does not matter to me. I simply do not think he would be a good investment--for any team--at that price.
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm not obsessed with all things Braves, because I am, thats my schtick on here,
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but don't pretend that Braves fans aren't obsessed with certain former players.
Isn't it natural to care more about players you've seen play more than others? I talk more about Braves players because I'm much more familiar with them than anybody else.
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Its as if in your minds you have to justify finding some kind of a scapegoat for your season, and it became Teix, eventhough he was probably the single shining part of that team last year.
He was definitely a shining part, but with that staff, they were never going to win anything. It certainly was not his fault. I want the Braves to win another World Series. As a fan, I'm bored with making the playoffs and getting swept out of the 1st round. Might as well finish last and get a better draft pick(I'm still pissed they gave up a 1st rounder to sign fricking old arse Tom Glavine).
Anyhoo, I love this board.
Posted on 12/21/08 at 9:54 pm to LfcSU3520
I wasn't comparing him to Teix, but we weren't left with a void at 1B like most teams are when they trade a big name
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