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re: Andy Pettitte: 1st ballot HOFer?
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:49 pm to tiger band trumpet
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:49 pm to tiger band trumpet
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If Schilling gets in, Pettite should too,
not really
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Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:50 pm to Baloo
If Schilling goes in before Bert then there needs to be an investigation.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:50 pm to tiger band trumpet
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neither has a very good case IMO
Schilling gets in, Pettitte doesnt
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:52 pm to Lester Earl
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Schilling gets in, Pettitte doesnt
convince me why Schilling gets in
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:52 pm to tiger band trumpet
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I don't think Schilling is a HOFer either but the media is saying he's a first ballot
who in the 'media' is saying this? And no Kige doesn't count
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:53 pm to TigerintheNO
I remeber when he first announced his retirement people were saying that he was gonna be a sure fire hall of famer, possibly first ballot
Verducci said it was possible but unlikely
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Verducci said it was possible but unlikely
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This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:58 pm to tiger band trumpet
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convince me why Schilling gets in
3000 Ks
3 time world champion frontline starter for 3 different teams
dominant postseason pitcher. Not "Andy Pettitte" average. Dominant, like Smoltz.
he's led the league in K's twice...Wins twice...he should have at least 1 Cy Young...he finished 2nd 3 different times.
and as Verducci points out, best K:BB ratio ever
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 9:59 pm to TigerintheNO
Schilling didn't win the Cy Young, but was named TSN's pitcher of the year on top of winning the Roberto Clemente Award and a WS MVP in 2001. That alnoe puts him ahead of Petitte -- actual hardware.
Schilling is 15th all time in strikeouts, and 43rd in ERA+ (ERA adjusted for era). By the Blank Ink test (number of times led the league in category), he has 42, and the average HoF has 40. By Grey Ink (times in the top 10), he has 205 when the average HoF'er has 185. By contrast, Petitte scores 7 on the Black Ink and 103 in the Grey Ink.
Schilling is a borderline HoF candidate. He could go either way and it wouldn't enhance or hurt the institution. Frankly, I don't care. But Petitte has as much business going to Cooperstown as Bob Welch (one of his most simliar statistical pitching comps)
Schilling is 15th all time in strikeouts, and 43rd in ERA+ (ERA adjusted for era). By the Blank Ink test (number of times led the league in category), he has 42, and the average HoF has 40. By Grey Ink (times in the top 10), he has 205 when the average HoF'er has 185. By contrast, Petitte scores 7 on the Black Ink and 103 in the Grey Ink.
Schilling is a borderline HoF candidate. He could go either way and it wouldn't enhance or hurt the institution. Frankly, I don't care. But Petitte has as much business going to Cooperstown as Bob Welch (one of his most simliar statistical pitching comps)
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:00 pm to lsu31always
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CALLED THIS TOPIC A WEEK AGO
WE SO TOTALLY DID
Well, just the hall of fame part. Nothing about 1st ballot.
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:01 pm to tiger band trumpet
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I'm guessing that he's not going to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. It's really tough to do that in your first year, to get that 75 percent. His career is somewhat parallel to that of Don Drysdale, and it took Drysdale a few ballots to get in.
He is saying that he won't be a 1st ballot HOF, I agree with that. Who is saying that he is?
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:02 pm to Lester Earl
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Schilling gets in, Pettitte doesnt
+1, but after a couple of tries.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:05 pm to lsu xman
They both get in.
Pettitte has played in 7 World Series, looking for an 8th. And he has performed well in the postseason. And he is a Yankee. He has a lot of things going for him that don't really matter, but still do.
Pettitte has played in 7 World Series, looking for an 8th. And he has performed well in the postseason. And he is a Yankee. He has a lot of things going for him that don't really matter, but still do.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:07 pm to BayouBengals03
Only if he goes in an as Astro.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:08 pm to samm980
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Only if he goes in an as Astro.
I would be shocked if he didn't FWIW FYI IMO IMHO WGAF TTYL WYHI?
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:09 pm to BayouBengals03
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Pettitte has played in 7 World Series, looking for an 8th. And he has performed well in the postseason. And he is a Yankee. He has a lot of things going for him that don't really matter, but still do.
the baseball HOF isnt nearly as liberal as say, the basketball HOF, when it comes to team oriented accolades like this
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:10 pm to BayouBengals03
Will the BWAA ever acknowledge the set up role as a bona fide HOF position in this era of specialty. I would say no but then again what would have happened if Wetteland came in with Riveria (if same age). As Riveria was Wetteland's set up guy for the first WS.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:11 pm to BayouBengals03
Pettitte has only 3 seasons that he had a sub 3.85ERA???
career WHIP of 1.36??
career WHIP of 1.36??
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:12 pm to sms151t
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I would say no but then again what would have happened if Wetteland came in with Riveria (if same age).
The Yankees would have figured out within about a year that Rivera was a lot better.
This post was edited on 10/25/09 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:12 pm to samm980
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Only if he goes in an as Astro.
Schill, Scott, and J.R. Richard all should go in together. Why not have the Astros have Enos Cabell give their intro speeches.
Posted on 10/25/09 at 10:14 pm to BayouBengals03
Im not sure Riveria was better than Wetteland. Wetteland was banished in Montreal at start of his career, so we will never really know what his true talent as a closer was.
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