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re: Am I the only one that likes the BCS the way it is?
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:19 pm to sportsinfogeauxlsu
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:19 pm to sportsinfogeauxlsu
I would be in favor of a 4 team playoff tops..
while maintaining the bowls
while maintaining the bowls
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:19 pm to LSU Red24
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17 teams get to end the season on a win
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how you figure? its more than that
True. I was just talking about bowl teams or "playoff" teams (there could certainly be teams in the NFL and in college that didn't make the playoffs or a bowl game but end the season on a win). In college football, half of the bowl teams win. In pro football, every playoff team except one will end the season on a loss.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:21 pm to rpg37
Didn't LSU go like 9-1-1 or something like that in the 60's or 70's and didn't even go to a bowl game? I think the story was that Notre Dame stole our Cotton Bowl spot.
Now, you go 6-6 in Conference USA you go to a bowl. Are you fricking kidding me! I don't think ANY 6-6 team should go to a bowl game. Hell, you can schedule a bowl game every year. Four suck-arse non-conference teams and 2-6 in the league.
I think one stipulation should be you must go AT LEAST .500 in your league to go to a bowl game. And yes, I am aware that would have booted LSU out this year (although I think that motivation may have helped them in the Arkansas or Ole Miss games).
Now, you go 6-6 in Conference USA you go to a bowl. Are you fricking kidding me! I don't think ANY 6-6 team should go to a bowl game. Hell, you can schedule a bowl game every year. Four suck-arse non-conference teams and 2-6 in the league.
I think one stipulation should be you must go AT LEAST .500 in your league to go to a bowl game. And yes, I am aware that would have booted LSU out this year (although I think that motivation may have helped them in the Arkansas or Ole Miss games).
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:37 pm to WillWorkForLSUTicket
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Way too many.
Yeah. But you gotta admit that the New Orleans Bowl with USM and the opponent, that is on the tip of my tongue, was one of the most exciting of the year.
Posted on 1/9/09 at 10:41 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Yeah. But you gotta admit that the New Orleans Bowl with USM and the opponent, that is on the tip of my tongue, was one of the most exciting of the year.
The Troy v. S. Miss...yeah it was good. When you got 35 bowls your bound to have a couple of good ones.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:13 am to WillWorkForLSUTicket
I like the BCS.
The only problem with it is the bowl tie-ins, IMO.
The only problem with it is the bowl tie-ins, IMO.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:17 am to Cornholio
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JP, I usually agree with most of what you post, but the BCS is not one of them. I want the best team to hold the NC at the end of the season. Period. Im not convinced the BCS really does this. Just look at this season.
:kige:
It is fun to talk about and debate though.
Especially with you fine people.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:24 am to JPLSU1981
The Bowl "tradition" is horseshite. It used to be very difficult to get into any bowl game because they were only a dozen or so. Now every mom and pop university that goes 6-6 can play for a trophy. Yay college football has 92738963868363 "winners."
If you want true bowl tradition get rid of the Canadian We Just Want to be American bowl, et al and go back to the major bowls and that's it.
This is partially what's wrong with society as a whole - rewarding mediocrity.
If you want true bowl tradition get rid of the Canadian We Just Want to be American bowl, et al and go back to the major bowls and that's it.
This is partially what's wrong with society as a whole - rewarding mediocrity.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 3:26 am to loweralabamatrojan
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It is fun to talk about and debate though.
Especially with you fine people.
ESPUSC deserves the national title every year regardless of record, I understand.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:26 am to neweuquol
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ESPUSC deserves the national title every year regardless of record, I understand.
I wouldn't go that far. Looking back on the season though, there's nothing that tells me definitively that Florida was a better team than USC, Texas, or even Utah for that matter.
The BCSCG was a very watered down affair, IMHO.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:40 am to JPLSU1981
No, many other gheys like it
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:51 am to Cornholio
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Just look at this season.
Alright, lets do that.
Based on conference win/losses alone (which is the sole criteria that a playoff can use), tell me what team really earned the B12 South crown on the field.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:56 am to Volvagia
quote:Hook 'em.
Based on conference win/losses alone (which is the sole criteria that a playoff can use), tell me what team really earned the B12 South crown on the field.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 4:58 am to loweralabamatrojan
How exactly? Mind explaining?
This post was edited on 1/10/09 at 5:06 am
Posted on 1/10/09 at 5:13 am to Volvagia
I place more value on Texas beating OU on a neutral field than OU's shellacking of TT at home.
I place less value on TT's narrow victory over Texas at home.
There's some commutative stuff going on there, but it makes sense to me.
I place less value on TT's narrow victory over Texas at home.
There's some commutative stuff going on there, but it makes sense to me.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 5:34 am to loweralabamatrojan
Right, but those are factors outside of the asked for parameters. A playoff is ignorant to such subtleties....it is a very binary system of wins and losses.
My point is that a playoff is faulty because it assumes if you beat someone, you are better than everyone they beat. If this isn't considered to be a 100% correct, the validity of a playoff becomes nothing more than a illusion. And it isn't a matter of opinion...it simply isn't correct and doesn't work out. 3 way ties like this occur in CFB with regularity, even if they aren't within a BCS division causing wide dispute in the media.
If you have 4 roughly equal teams entering a playoff, and the #4 seed wins it all, out exactly do you prove to me that the #2 seed that lost in the first round of games and never played the #4 that they could win it all? The obvious reply is that if they wanted the spot, then they should have gotten it done on the field so they could have gotten the chance to prove their worth.
But how is that any different from the BCS set up in every year but one? If USC wanted to be in the title game, they should have gotten it done on the field against Oregon St so they could have gotten the chance to prove their worth. If Texas wanted to be in the title game, they should have gotten it done against Texas Tech.
The same applies to even the undefeated teams to a degree, but it is more hypothectical than anything, largely because if you don't crown an undefeated team who did everything asked of them by the agreed upon system, who the hell are you going to give it to?
The three main arguments across the BCS era: Auburn, Utah, and Boise St all have one thing in common: compared to the teams that they were snubbed for favor of, they had rotten schedules. However correct the decision of snubbing them for teams that earned more, this is the main argument for expanding the BCS (but not necessarily a playoff). A playoff only really works if a undefeated team wins it all...and that crap will very rarely occur. So you have to expand the BCS without going to a bracket playoff...and that says round robin to me.
Trouble is the time and "fun" problems for the althetes however...but that is where we stand from where I am looking.
My point is that a playoff is faulty because it assumes if you beat someone, you are better than everyone they beat. If this isn't considered to be a 100% correct, the validity of a playoff becomes nothing more than a illusion. And it isn't a matter of opinion...it simply isn't correct and doesn't work out. 3 way ties like this occur in CFB with regularity, even if they aren't within a BCS division causing wide dispute in the media.
If you have 4 roughly equal teams entering a playoff, and the #4 seed wins it all, out exactly do you prove to me that the #2 seed that lost in the first round of games and never played the #4 that they could win it all? The obvious reply is that if they wanted the spot, then they should have gotten it done on the field so they could have gotten the chance to prove their worth.
But how is that any different from the BCS set up in every year but one? If USC wanted to be in the title game, they should have gotten it done on the field against Oregon St so they could have gotten the chance to prove their worth. If Texas wanted to be in the title game, they should have gotten it done against Texas Tech.
The same applies to even the undefeated teams to a degree, but it is more hypothectical than anything, largely because if you don't crown an undefeated team who did everything asked of them by the agreed upon system, who the hell are you going to give it to?
The three main arguments across the BCS era: Auburn, Utah, and Boise St all have one thing in common: compared to the teams that they were snubbed for favor of, they had rotten schedules. However correct the decision of snubbing them for teams that earned more, this is the main argument for expanding the BCS (but not necessarily a playoff). A playoff only really works if a undefeated team wins it all...and that crap will very rarely occur. So you have to expand the BCS without going to a bracket playoff...and that says round robin to me.
Trouble is the time and "fun" problems for the althetes however...but that is where we stand from where I am looking.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 10:12 am to JPLSU1981
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Am I the only one that likes the BCS the way it is?
Nope.
Posted on 1/10/09 at 10:39 am to WillWorkForLSUTicket
If your an LSU fan, you should love the BCS.
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