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PeteRose
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Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Just saw an example with the colts.

With around 38 seconds remaining in the half, they got a 1st down at at around the chiefs 25. Why not spike the ball? Why are you trying to save a down at the expense of losing 15 secs of the clock?

The next play the ball was snapped at :20 seconds remaining.

Moral of the story: in this situation, time is more important than the down since a new set of downs can be reset by getting a 1st. Once the time is gone, it’s gone. You have to sacrifice a down to save time.

Indy had to kick the FG on 3rd down. Having an extra down or 2 don’t matter if you don’t have time to run them.



Lester Earl
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
They wouldn’t have saved time with a spike there

They seemed to have a play ready. That is the main reasons teams spike the ball. To get a play & get set


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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
The real issue was the inexplicable timeout when Watkins ran out of bounds near the goal line. Save that timeout there and you use it on that drive and probably get a TD


PeteRose
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
I mean would you want 2 and 10 with 35 secs left or 1st and 10 with 20 seconds left?


Lester Earl
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Where do you think they wasted :15?


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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
He’s counting the time it took them to get up to the line but he fails to realize they would have had to run up to the line even if they spiked the ball. They used an extra 2 seconds maybe.
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Lester Earl
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Yea that’s what I’m saying

There is really no difference lol


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MorgusTheMagnificent
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
I always thought that after a TD was best time to spike the ball


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LouBega
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Thanks coach.

What time is your next playoff game??


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castorinho
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
How does this thread have eight upvotes?

They wasted a max of two seconds by running a play instead of spiking. They had the play called on the previous play.


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LouBega
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Right?? Lol


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PeteRose
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
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hey wasted a max of two seconds by running a play instead of spiking. They had the play called on the previous play.


To call out the play for all players to hear, and get everybody in the right position and hope no penalties? 2 seconds? I don’t think so.

The play was blown dead at :37 and snapped off at :20, taking a whole 17 seconds to run the next play.

Then you look at the saints game where before the half, Brees completed a pass to Ted Ginn Jr for 15 yds(Colts play was 11 yards). The play was blown dead at :21 and Brees clocked it at :11 so taking 10 seconds to spike. The two scenarios was a difference of 7 seconds. Ask any coach running 2 minute offense how big is 7 seconds and they will tell you. Heck, I've been coaches arguing with the refs for 2 seconds.
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LouBega
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Hey coach. What time do y'all play next weekend?


PeteRose
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
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Hey coach. What time do y'all play next weekend?


Were you always hostile growing up when someone would try to teach something new?

The point is you don't have to be a "coach" to point mistakes of NFL coaches. Hell, look at the Seahawks not giving Lynch the ball at the goal line. Ask Herm Edwards if the Giants should've taken a knee. We've seen coaches not challenge an obvious wrong call by the refs. Some use timeouts when they shouldn't.

These coaches are making millions and are working for Billion dollars entity. And yet, they have weak optimal time management strategy before halftime and end of the game. They should hire a game theory specialist to create some kind of decision tree. I sure Belechik did since patriots always know when to milk the clock and when to stop it. All you have to do is look at the Pats last possession before halftime and their opponents' possession before halftime of each game and you will see that they will alway have a +net points differential year after year. It's not a coincidence.


LouBega
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Why aren't you a coach or one of these management experts you're talking about?

You seem to be better qualified than the people there now. When can we expect you ok the sidelines?


ShaneTheLegLechler
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Lol this thread


LouBega
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
I'm just excited to be talking to a future HOF coach.


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MGP
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Why is spiking the ball not considered intentional grounding?


castorinho
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
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Item 3: Stopping Clock A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.


Just don't be a dumbass and take a few steps back before spiking it like the Bears did a few years ago. Because that will be called intentional grounding.


MGP
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re: Always surprised when teams don’t know when to spike the ball (2 min offense)
Thanks for looking that up for me


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