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re: All aboard the “Beast Incarnate” Brock Lesnar UFC Pain Train

Posted on 7/8/18 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 12:55 pm to
They should keep Miotic ready in case Brock gets hurt or fails a test
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 12:56 pm to
I would put DC as about a 3.5 to 1 favorite. Line will probably be -250 though because Brock does have a lot of fans and is physically imposing.

Stipe deserves a rematch, but the UFC is a business and the Brock fight is a 5-10x bigger money maker.

Also, its impossible to tell how good Brock is. He is a top 10 HW no doubt. Is he top 5? Dunno. Best fight to judge Brock on is the Carwin fight which was a mixed bag. He was fully healthy, fighting regularly, and Carwin was a legit top 5 HW. That fight could have gone either way.

Couture fight was meaningless. I bet on Brock that fight and had 100% confidence in that one. Size and age difference were way too much.

Mir just hasn't been that good since his motorcycle accident.

Cain is Cain and was the best in the world when he dominated Brock. Bet that one as well, knew Cain was going to smash the Brock hype train which was at its apex that night.

Reem was peak juiced Reem on an 11 fight win streak when he beat Brock, hardly surprising, practically no one could beat fully juiced Reem.

Beating Hunt by decision was a solid win.

Fight is somewhat interesting. Brocks 3 losses are legit losses. Got caught in a submission in his second career fight which happens, then lost to possibly the best heavyweight in the world at the time vs Cain and juiced Reem. This DC fight tips the scale on Lesnars UFC career as either legit top 5ish HW or decent HW but not a top HW that wont get another title shot.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

I would put DC as about a 3.5 to 1 favorite. Line will probably be -250 though because Brock does have a lot of fans and is physically imposing.


Brock will be the favorite by fight time. Bunch of average joes will be throwing money on that side and it’s not hard to sway the lines in a non major betting sport like mma. Rousey was s favorite in her last couple fights I believe simply off her name
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:12 pm to
Wwe>ufc
Posted by bigcatfish
Member since Feb 2009
1283 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:13 pm to
So has Lesnar officially left WWE?
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:14 pm to
Many of you forget that Brock has very minimal MMA experience, in comparison to the other guys currently competing. He has been able to accomplish what he has simply because he is a freak athlete who happens to be monstrous in size. Also, don't overlook the diverticulitis that Brock dealt with during his last UFC run -- that shite is no joke. A healthy Brock is a dangerous Brock. He's gonna have at least 6" and 40 lbs. on DC. I think the gameplan will be similar to what it was w/ Hunt. Avoid the big shots and win on the scorecards.

This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:19 pm to
He does both
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42351 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:20 pm to
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Kurt Angle after the 96 Olympics.


Got his arse kicked by a teacher who barely made it in the UFC
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11102 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:20 pm to
UFC has pre-determined outcomes. I mean they really do beat on each other but all the action is pre-arranged. It's just a version of hardcore wrestling. That's why wrestlers can go back and forth. I don't know why CM Punk is having trouble, but he may be fine with losing. I imagine the pay is still good.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:23 pm to
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UFC has pre-determined outcomes.
Yeah, no.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:29 pm to
That pic is a bit misleading.

DC is barefoot, Lesnar is wearing cowboy boots with a 2 inch heel (look at the YouTube video when he walks in, you see the huge heels on the boots).

Brock is 6'2, DC is 5'11. Its about a 3 inch height difference.

Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47804 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:32 pm to
DC will smash brock and it wont even be close.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70008 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:32 pm to
Agreed
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70008 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:37 pm to
Not predetermined but I’m sure both stipe and dc were cued to call Brock out depending on who won.

You want fix fights watch ken shamrock fight kimbo or some events in Japan.

Cm punk is just a horrible athlete, he needs to fight for a small regional promotion or just do grappling contests
Posted by Willietd
Member since Apr 2017
2046 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 1:43 pm to
I'm not 100% positive on the Brock doesn't like to get hit mentality. I could be wrong but when this became a thing was when he was dealing with diverticulitis. Not sure anyone wants to get hit then. Watch the Shane Carwin fight. He took a lot before closing him out.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 2:03 pm to
Brock can take a punch.

Again, IMO the Carwin fight is the best to judge him by. Carwin hits like a truck and he hurt Brock but Brock maintained.

Cain pounded the shite out of him. It wasnt like Brock tapped or went unconscious. He can take some shots. Doesnt have a concrete chin but at average, probably above average for a HW
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted by 504 Soulja 4Real
17th Ward
Member since Jul 2018
125 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:19 pm to
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Brock is 6'2, DC is 5'11. Its about a 3 inch height difference.


Brock Lesnar is about 6'3.5" with no shoes and Cormier says on a good day with his tall shoes on hes 5'11", so hes really 5"10" at best with no shoes.

These guys are cool with each other and have known each other for over 20 years, they have always contemplated who would win in a real wrestling match. This fight is interesting to me because DC isn't going to just flash Lesnar. They have very similar wrestling skill sets, however Brock is bigger, stronger and faster. If Jon Jones can take DC down at will, I think Lesnar could too.

My pick: DC wins 48-47 split decision.
What I want to see: Brock Lesnar win and defend vs Jon Jones.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28017 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:45 pm to
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This is a fight where Lesnar possibly just has too much of a size advantage. DC has the huge all around skill advantage no doubt. But Brock has to cut more to make the hw weight limit than DC does to make the light hw weight limit if I am not mistaken. That is a massive size difference considering Lesnar at least does have DC’s main skill beat (wrestling) and has trained mma for a while now. I’d pick DC to win but that is a much tougher call than the fight looks at just face value.
This is a pretty easy fight to see what will happen...

Wrestling will cancel each other out, and Cormier will wreck him striking.

Brock's only chance to win is to take down Cormier and dominate him on the ground for 5 rounds or submit him. Neither of those things will happen.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:48 pm to
Most sites say Lesnar is 6'2. The WWE advertises him at 6'3.

I'm going with 6'2. The WWE always advertises their top guys as bigger and taller than they are.

Sites saying Lesnar is 6'2:

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By the way Lesnar was measured at 6'2 at the NFL combine when he was 26 or 27. Then the Vikings listed him at 6'3 .

My guess is Lesnar is probably a bit over 6'2.

DC is probably 5'10 though.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28017 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:50 pm to
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If Jon Jones can take DC down at will, I think Lesnar could too.
Jon Jones is also a wrestler and is long and lanky and is a good striker.

The threat from a good striker makes it way easier to take down the opponent because they are worried about getting hit.

Brock Lesnar is not a good striker and not crafty like Jones is in his takedowns. Cormier will not have a difficult time avoiding Brock's takedown attempts.

Brock would be more vulnerable to a takedown by Cormier because Cormier is a much superior striker.

This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 4:52 pm
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