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4 ways QB's use the strategic underthrow:
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:42 am
Flacco chalking up another PI penalty against DB's with the strategic underthrow
Most are used in press man-to-man coverage where the DB is NOT looking at the QB:
1. On the long ball - For separation - If the CB stays deeper than the WR, the WR puts on the brakes to catch the pass (with separation he wouldn't otherwise get) Example, Ron Jaworskie quote.
quote:
"What we had was the long-ball underthrow," says Jaworski, 62, and now an ESPN analyst. "Your receiver couldn't get past the defender, so you would lob it up short and let him come back to it.
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2. On the long bal l - (and other routes) to draw a penalty - When the DB is playing the WR tight, but the WR is deeper than the DB, The QB throws short... the WR puts on the brakes... the DB runs up the WR's back... flags fly. Examplle Joe Flacco
quote:
"I don’t mean to discount Torrey’s contribution in drawing these pass interference calls. This scheme doesn’t work without a speedy wide receiver who can stop on a dime,"
LINK
3. On broken coverages - If a WR breaks away, wide open, Qb's are coached to throw a little short to insure the completion without regard to hitting the WR in stride.
4. The Back-shoulder throw. we all know what that is.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:44 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:ELITE
Flacco
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I appreciate your attempts to bring general QB knowledge to the MSB. 
Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:53 am to slackster
quote:Rickdaddy and Sammy can not fathom that the "undethrow" is ever anything but a backshoulder or a QB mistake.
I appreciate your attempts to bring general QB knowledge to the MSB.
Someone has to help the little fellers. Consider this a public service.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:05 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Rickdaddy and Sammy can not fathom that the "undethrow" is ever anything but a backshoulder or a QB mistake.
Well you basically posted 3 slight variations of the backshoulder throw + 1 intentional underthrow when someone is wide open. When the defender is in the WR's pocket, level with him, or past him, you throw it to his backshoulder. Calling it different things is up to you, but the strategy is the same.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:14 am to slackster
quote:
Well you basically posted 3 slight variations of the backshoulder throw + 1 intentional underthrow when someone is wide open. When the defender is in the WR's pocket, level with him, or past him, you throw it to his backshoulder. Calling it different things is up to you, but the strategy is the same.
There are clear differences. But the strategies are very similar.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:23 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Do you think you're a QB guru?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:25 am to Buckeye Jeaux
thanks I guess, can you explain what a slant is?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 10:30 am to KosmoCramer
quote:Compared to Sammy and Rickdaddy? Um, yeah.
Do you think you're a QB guru?
There screamed up and down that there was no such thing as a strategic underthrow on a long ball. And that picking up PI's from underthrows is never intentional - they should ask Flacco about that. (And that move goes back as far as Unitas)
quote:Yeah. Look for something that looks slanty
thanks I guess, can you explain what a slant is?
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:02 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Here are a few of the gems from Rickdaddy and Sammy's tirade on the non-existence of intentional underthrows:
quote:
"No decent qb plans to underthrow a deep ball."
"Planned underthrow isnt a thing"
"Well yeah a back shoulder pass is different than a planned underthrow because a back shoulder pass actually exists"
Someone has to teach these kids. We don't wan't them saying these stupid things in polite company. Just trying to help:)
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:12 am to Buckeye Jeaux
I predict that by 2030 DBs will have cameras on the back of their helmets projecting an image in the corner of their visor, allowing them to see the ball and make better plays on it.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:21 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Rickdaddy and Sammy can not fathom that the "undethrow" is ever anything but a backshoulder or a QB mistake.
I cant Fathom how it’s better to underthrow a WR 5 steps past a CB than hit them in stride and let them run with it.
Nothing you said is a better outcome.
When you’re 3-5 yards past the CB and your stopping/slowing down to catch the Ball it isn’t strategy.
We were talking about a specific situation when a QB can’t make the pass and you tried to make it seem like strategy.
You’re trying to defend a frick up.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:40 am to SammyTiger
quote:Pure bullshite -. I said it was either intentional OR "or lack of timing and chemistry between the QB & WR - to be expected when they have had less than a year to work together"... and, of course, I stand by that.
We were talking about a specific situation when a QB can’t make the pass and you tried to make it seem like strategy.
You’re trying to defend a frick up.
Burrow is one of the most accurate QBs I've seen in many years. And his arm is easily as strong as Haskins - Burrrow just has the ability to throw with touch, and does so - takes much more skill, BTW.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:44 am to Buckeye Jeaux
So much touch it almost seems like he can’t throw deep ball accurately.
Go look at his last spring game at OSU. He has a wide open WR who ends up back peddling to catch the ball, and the CB almost catches up to him.
That’s not strategy or a lack of timing.
Go look at his last spring game at OSU. He has a wide open WR who ends up back peddling to catch the ball, and the CB almost catches up to him.
That’s not strategy or a lack of timing.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:49 am to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:
Burrow is one of the most accurate QBs I've seen in many years
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:50 am to SammyTiger
quote:Dude. On wide-open receivers, QBs are always coached to underthrow a little to insure the completion - to HELL with style points.
Go look at his last spring game at OSU. He has a wide open WR who ends up back peddling to catch the ball, and the CB almost catches up to him.
I'm sure you will never accept this fact, but most guys on this board know it.
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
It’s not style points. Letting the DB close in isn’t a style issue.
Its One thing to put the ball in the air and let them make an adjustment but great QBs are making the WRs stop
Its One thing to put the ball in the air and let them make an adjustment but great QBs are making the WRs stop
Posted on 3/25/19 at 11:58 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Sammy mentioned the Spring Game - Burrow blew Haskins away in that game.
You wonder why so many Buckeyes are following LSU? Check out this fan poll right after the Spring game.
LINK
BTW, here are the QB stats from that game:
Burrow 15-of-22 (68.2%) for 238 yards
Haskins 9-of-19 (47.3%) for 120 yards
You wonder why so many Buckeyes are following LSU? Check out this fan poll right after the Spring game.
quote:
After seeing all three play in the spring game, who do you think should be Ohio State’s starting QB?
Joe Burrow 59%
(1474 votes)
Dwayne Haskins 32%
(814 votes)
Tate Martell 9%
(227 votes)
2515 votes total
LINK
BTW, here are the QB stats from that game:
Burrow 15-of-22 (68.2%) for 238 yards
Haskins 9-of-19 (47.3%) for 120 yards
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Wow: better runner, stronger arm, better spring game. How did your coaches not name him the starter?
Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:10 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Ryan Day demanded autonomy as OC, or he'd take one of the HC jobs he was offered. Day loved Haskins. And it cost OSU a playoff slot. No way in hell Burrow loses to fricking Purdue. Just my considered opinion.
Wow: better runner, stronger arm, better spring game. How did your coaches not name him the starter?
Haskins is a very good QB (with the best WR room OSU ever had). But he really would have been better off to stay at least another year. Again, just my opinion.
This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 12:15 pm
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