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re: 2023 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:But Hamilton and his various teammates routinely finished 1-2.
Just like Hamilton was never THAT much better than everyone else during his run
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:35 pm to Open Your Eyes
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In the clear best car on the grid, though never with as large of a gap to the rest as the last 2 years,
wut?Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:38 pm to blueboy
Perez was something like an8 year vet driving at a back of the pack team, yet somehow people thought he was a diamond in the rough that just needed a chance.
He got a chance with one of the best cars ever built and is getting his arse beat on a regular basis.
He got a chance with one of the best cars ever built and is getting his arse beat on a regular basis.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:55 pm to blueboy
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But Hamilton and his various teammates routinely finished 1-2.
Did you miss all the posts about this season proving just how bad Perez is?
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wut?
Given all the records verstappen has set in the last 2 years, it would actually be entertaining to see you try to make a fact-based argument showing that statement isn’t true. Race wins, poles, laps led, total points, margin of victory, etc are all going to be working against you.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:09 pm to Open Your Eyes
Perez is going to be replaced by Ricciardo. A washout from the 4th or 5th best team.
But yeah, Perez is just unlucky that the next best driver is mixing it up with a 3rd year driver who struggles to finish in the points.
But yeah, Perez is just unlucky that the next best driver is mixing it up with a 3rd year driver who struggles to finish in the points.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:11 pm to fightin tigers
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He got a chance with one of the best cars ever built
If that were true, his finishes would be a hell of a lot better. You know, like Bottas, who hasn't even been noticeable now that he's not in the clearly dominant car.Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:23 pm to blueboy
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If that were true, his finishes would be a hell of a lot better.
For this to be true, you have to believe both 1) Perez is one of the best drivers on the grid and 2)the Red Bull is not clearly the best car on the grid.
What’s it like to live so disconnected from reality?
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:29 pm to Open Your Eyes
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For this to be true, you have to believe
frick you If it were truly the greatest car of all timeses, Perez would do much better than he does. They also probably wouldn't get out-qualified at all, but they have on several occasions.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:48 pm to Lsut81
What a brilliant drive by Alonso. Wow!
That track is awesome.
Anyone ever been?
That track is awesome.
Anyone ever been?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:50 pm to Tornado Alley
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Anyone ever been?
Hope to soon....
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:55 pm to blueboy
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it were truly the greatest car of all timeses, Perez would do much better than he does. They also probably wouldn't get out-qualified at all, but they have on several occasions.
What is the major weakness of the Red Bull car?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:09 pm to blueboy
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frick you
I’ll repeat this again, in hopes you make an attempt:
Given all the records verstappen has set in the last 2 years, it would actually be entertaining to see you try to make a fact-based argument showing that statement isn’t true. Race wins, poles, laps led, total points, margin of victory, etc are all going to be working against you.
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If it were truly the greatest car of all timeses, Perez would do much better than he does.
There’s has been ample discussion about Perez in the last 2 pages of this thread. You seem to somehow be missing it, constantly.
Why is that?
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They also probably wouldn't get out-qualified at all, but they have on several occasions.
Are you saying you don’t understand the difference between driving 1 fast lap and racing an entire Grand Prix?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:28 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:Teammate performance wouldn't be, though. You attribute all of those things to the car. I don't.
Race wins, poles, laps led, total points, margin of victory, etc are all going to be working against you.
Oh right, but Sergio is just super bad at driving, despite being employed by RedBull and as an F1 driver for years.
Anyway, Bottas isn't exactly lighting it up these days, even by his own team's standards, but he sure was when he was with Merc at their height.
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Are you saying you don’t understand the difference between driving 1 fast lap and racing an entire Grand Prix?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:39 pm to blueboy
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right, but Sergio is just super bad at driving, despite being employed by RedBull and as an F1 driver for years.
Wouldn't be a ground breaking revelation.
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Anyway, Bottas isn't exactly lighting it up these days, even by his own team's standards, but he sure was when he was with Merc at their height.
Yes drivers fall off. Massa, Seb, Kimi.....
None of this is a knock on Max. Dude is approaching the best driving we have ever seen and doing it in an extremely dominant car. That combination is giving us these results.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:53 pm to blueboy
Sergio isn't close to Max's level.
He's not even on landos level, nor Hamilton's, nor Alonso's.
Dude has big money behind him though.
He's not even on landos level, nor Hamilton's, nor Alonso's.
Dude has big money behind him though.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:58 pm to fightin tigers
quote:1/2 of one, I guess, since Sergio has not done nearly as well. But according to you, he's a really bad driver because he can't do well in a 'dominant car' but not bad enough that he doesn't get fired.
an extremely dominant car.
Your opinion requires more mental gymnastics. Sorry you two homos don't think I'm allowed to have the opinion I do, and therefore demand that I must be set straight. That's a level of narcissism to which I can't relate, but ride on, bro.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:08 pm to blueboy
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Teammate performance wouldn't be, though.
Great, so layout your fact based argument that shows what’s happened the last 2 years isn’t because of Red Bull having possibly the most dominant F1 racing car ever.
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You attribute all of those things to the car. I don't.
I attribute the differentials across those metrics between verstappen and his competitors being among the highest ever to the car, yes absolutely.
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Oh right, but Sergio is just super bad at driving, despite being employed by RedBull and as an F1 driver for years.
Maybe one of these times you’ll actually offer a point towards the Perez discussion from the last few pages. What are your thoughts on his last 5 laps today?
Or how about this: explain why Red Bull is going to terminate the contract of the guy that finishes #2 in the standings at the end of this year.
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Anyway, Bottas isn't exactly lighting it up these days,
You keep bringing up bottas like that’s some kind of intelligent point. How did his career pre-Mercedes compare to Perez pre-red bull?
What do vettel and raikonen’s results post ferrari do for the point you think you’re making here?
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even by his own team's standards,
What standards do you think Alfa Romeo has, exactly?
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but he sure was when he was with Merc at their height.
Again, what point do you think you’re making here? Bottas was significantly better at Mercedes than Perez has been at Red Bull. His 2019 season alone is arguably better than perez’ entire Red Bull tenure.
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Not sure what other logical conclusion is to be drawn from your comment.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:32 pm to blueboy
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Sorry you two homos don't think I'm allowed to have the opinion I do, and therefore demand that I must be set straight. That's a level of narcissism to which I can't relate, but ride on, bro.
It's a discussion board bro. The fun is having, expressing, defending, enlightening your opinion.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:38 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:So wait, is he a good driver or a bad one? Make up your minds.
What are your thoughts on his last 5 laps today?
I'll kindly direct you to the 'homo' comment above. This sport was more enjoyable before all of the drive to survive posers showed up.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:45 pm to blueboy
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So wait, is he a good driver or a bad one? Make up your minds.
Tell us how you think the last 5 laps today shows perez is a good driver.
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I'll kindly direct you to the 'homo' comment above. This sport was more enjoyable before all of the drive to survive posers showed up.
I’ll kindly direct you to the ‘qualifying’ comment above. A veteran watcher of this sport such as yourself should be pretty embarrassed by it.
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