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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 11/13/22 at 2:58 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Posted on 11/13/22 at 2:58 pm to UncleFestersLegs
No idea, but the guy who reported it is usually spot on with Red Bull stuff. I’m guessing it came straight from max or someone connected to him.
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Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:00 pm to blueboy
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comically
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villian orgin story for sure
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:03 pm to fightin tigers
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Lewis v Nico
This is what the season needs. ENTERTAIN US
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:04 pm to TexasTiger33
Only problem is Perez isn't nearly as talented as Nico.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:09 pm to BuckyCheese
Yea but I love it he’s sick of Max’s shite
RB has been fricking him over all year
RB has been fricking him over all year
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:10 pm to Open Your Eyes
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I’m trying to understand red bull’s thinking here. What difference does verstappen passing Alonso make in anything? He finishes 5th instead of 6th, so what? Perez is still losing the same amount of ground to leclerc in the standings of that happens
Verstappen aside, can someone make sense of red bull’s team orders here? Is there any other explanation for this besides they’re afraid of upsetting verstappen?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:19 pm to Open Your Eyes
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they’re afraid of upsetting verstappen
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:19 pm to Open Your Eyes
If Max gets by Alonso they can then plead to Checo that it would be unfair to make max give up so many positions. It isnt just a simple swap.
RBR knew he wasn't giving up the spot, but they asked anyway.
RBR knew he wasn't giving up the spot, but they asked anyway.
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:24 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Verstappen aside, can someone make sense of red bull’s team orders here? Is there any other explanation for this besides they’re afraid of upsetting verstappen?
The original team order was for max to catch and hold up leclerc so checo could catch up and get more points extending his lead over leclerc.
Verstappen couldn't catch him so they asked him to slow down and let checo pass and give him those points back.
The whole situation was about checo vs leclerc.
I'm cool with both max and Ferraris decisions. There's one race left. Let checo and leclerc duke it out and don't artificially fix the end.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:25 pm to kengel2
Max doubling down saying he knew they were going to crash
Max accomplished what he wanted this season and is checking off names
Max accomplished what he wanted this season and is checking off names
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:30 pm to fightin tigers
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If Max gets by Alonso they can then plead to Checo that it would be unfair to make max give up so many positions. It isnt just a simple swap.
That brings it back to the point of finishing 5th making literally no difference in anything.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:31 pm to fightin tigers
If he was trying to wreck Ham like you are insinuating, Lou wouldn't have ended up second.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:33 pm to BuckyCheese
I don't think he was trying to wreck, just that when he realized the choice was back out or wreck he wrecked. He had nothing to lose so he went with wrecking someone else since it didn't matter to him.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:41 pm to Open Your Eyes
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That brings it back to the point of finishing 5th making literally no difference in anything.
The goal was to pass leclerc so he didn't get 4th place points.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:42 pm to kengel2
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The original team order was for max to catch and hold up leclerc so checo could catch up and get more points extending his lead over leclerc.
Ok, let’s ignore the fact that there was virtually no chance of him passing leclerc for a minute to look at scenarios.
If he finishes 4th, leclerc is 5th(10 points) and Perez is 7th(6 points), 4 point gap.
If he finishes behind Perez, leclerc is 4th(12 points) and Perez is 6th(8 points), 4 point gap.
If he’s not able to pass leclerc but stays in front of Perez, leclerc is 4th(12 points) and Perez is 7th(6 points), 6 point gap.
So of the 3 possible outcomes that should’ve impacted that decision, 1 and 2 yield the same result, with 1 being virtually impossible at 2 being completely within their control(in terms of issuing orders).
3 is the worst possible result, also completely within their control, and that’s the one they decided on.
That’s Ferrari level stupidity.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:48 pm to Open Your Eyes
Maybe the goal was to wreck out Leclerc as well? 
Really don't think Max had any intentions of helping Checo, didn't do it yesterday or today. That is why I think the goal was to go up as far as possible so the question of swapping with Checo was a non-issue.
Now, did Max use this as an opportunity to prove a point? Get past checo then sit there so he could make sure the point was made. Probably making too much of a leap there.
Really don't think Max had any intentions of helping Checo, didn't do it yesterday or today. That is why I think the goal was to go up as far as possible so the question of swapping with Checo was a non-issue.
Now, did Max use this as an opportunity to prove a point? Get past checo then sit there so he could make sure the point was made. Probably making too much of a leap there.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:52 pm to Open Your Eyes
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3 is the worst possible result, also completely within their control, and that’s the one they decided on.
They didn't decide on three, Max decided on it.
I'm not saying it was the right call or would/wouldn't have done anything. I'm just telling you what their plan was since y'all are stuck on maxs finish not mattering in the grand scheme.
Red Bulls calls were never about Max at the end of the race. It was about Checo.
Max made the decision on his own to not let him pass.
Damn, I don't know what so hard about this.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:54 pm to fightin tigers
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Really don't think Max had any intentions of helping Checo, didn't do it yesterday or today. That is why I think the goal was to go up as far as possible so the question of swapping with Checo was a non-issue.
Don’t really disagree with any of that, verstappen made it perfectly clear he wasn’t going to do it.
That doesn’t explain it from a team orders perspective though. There is no finishing scenario where they made the right call, verstappen finishing 5th instead of 6th doesn’t benefit anyone associated with Red Bull, only hurts them.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:57 pm to Open Your Eyes
Maybe Max's engineer said 'Go take points from Ferrari and Alpine' because he couldn't say 'Get a spot ahead so we don't have to ask you to swap spots'
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:59 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:you've opened my eyes
That’s Ferrari level stupidity.
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