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Three things that have helped shape your financial independence
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:52 pm
Saw this on another forum and thought it would be good for the Money Talk board.
1. I bought significantly less house than I qualified for/could afford. I believe this has been big. We bought a 2600 sf home in the suburbs for about half of what we qualified for. It has been overly sufficient, we have a great neighborhood with a great family feel, and it allows us to invest around 30% total of our income.
2. I bought said home in a great school district. There is a huge trend for those in our salary range/situation to send their kids to private school. When we were facing the decision, I did a ton of research, read about a dozen books on the public/private debate, and talked to several people. At least in the area that we live, people choose private school for three reasons: (1) Elitism, (2) Sports, (3) Christian aspect. Sometimes the latter is code for racism. We have found great community in our public school, and it has saved about $10k-$12k/year per child.
3. I never got into cars/trucks. When I got my license, I was just proud to have a vehicle to drive. Its not that I don't appreciate luxury vehicles or shiny new 50k+ trucks - they are beautiful, but its just not my thing. I will drive something until the wheels fall off, then take my wife's car and get her something nicer. Rinse and repeat. Right now, I drive a 2007 model year Volvo with 80k miles on it. I go to work and back. I could easily afford the latest and greatest, but just don't have the desire to do so.
1. I bought significantly less house than I qualified for/could afford. I believe this has been big. We bought a 2600 sf home in the suburbs for about half of what we qualified for. It has been overly sufficient, we have a great neighborhood with a great family feel, and it allows us to invest around 30% total of our income.
2. I bought said home in a great school district. There is a huge trend for those in our salary range/situation to send their kids to private school. When we were facing the decision, I did a ton of research, read about a dozen books on the public/private debate, and talked to several people. At least in the area that we live, people choose private school for three reasons: (1) Elitism, (2) Sports, (3) Christian aspect. Sometimes the latter is code for racism. We have found great community in our public school, and it has saved about $10k-$12k/year per child.
3. I never got into cars/trucks. When I got my license, I was just proud to have a vehicle to drive. Its not that I don't appreciate luxury vehicles or shiny new 50k+ trucks - they are beautiful, but its just not my thing. I will drive something until the wheels fall off, then take my wife's car and get her something nicer. Rinse and repeat. Right now, I drive a 2007 model year Volvo with 80k miles on it. I go to work and back. I could easily afford the latest and greatest, but just don't have the desire to do so.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:11 pm to anc
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3. I never got into cars/trucks
I don't own a home so I can't comment on the first 2, but I totally agree with this. I still drive a 2004 mazda 3 I got in high school. No note. And plan on driving it for a few more years. Despite making a good salary I refuse to see the need to buy a new vehicle since I'm in it for maybe 30 minutes a day. You wouldn't believe how much this blows my friends and families minds. They just don't get it. It gets brought up nearly every time I see them in some kind of joke about me driving an old car.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:13 pm to anc
1. Rich parents
2. No student loan debt (see #1 above)
3. Good job with great pay (due to friends of #1 above)
2. No student loan debt (see #1 above)
3. Good job with great pay (due to friends of #1 above)
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:15 pm to PillPusher
Agreed. Driving a 2005 F150. With me working offshore, i just cant justify paying a note on a new truck that will spend half the year sitting in a dusty parking lot.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:15 pm to anc
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1. I bought significantly less house than I qualified for/could afford.
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2. I bought said home in a great school district
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3. I never got into cars/trucks
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and I was able to graduate college debt free, which is huge. I have so many friends that are paying college loan debts that are more than their mortgage.
I also married a woman from a poor household, so she wasn't used to a high standard of living
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:16 pm to anc
Definitely agree with 1. I see so many people go 30 years on a note that leaves them eating cereal for supper everynight. To each their own I guess
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:22 pm to anc
100% completely agree. The avg millionaire invests 20% of their income so if you can do 30% you are well on your way, if not already there.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:25 pm to anc
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1. I bought significantly less house than I qualified for/could afford.
Agree 100%. Did the same.
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2. I bought said home in a great school district.
Agree, but not close to #1 in relative impact for me, and probably depends on where you live. I live in a good school district, but I still see a large value in a Catholic education. It's not an elitist ideal here, because there are many more prestigious private schools than the local Catholic school.
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3. I never got into cars/trucks.
There are plenty of expensive hobbies, but I don't think that was your point. A great rule of thumb is 10 years or 200k miles out of each vehicle. We've followed that and its served us well enough to positions us to purchase with cash.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:27 pm to Salmon
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I also married a woman from a poor household, so she wasn't used to a high standard of living
This should move to #1 as it can cause a domino effect on the previous #1-3.
Also, I believe avoiding divorce(s) is a huge step to financial freedom. Dividing by two takes its toll on your net-worth.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:27 pm to jmh5724
1. No student debt (thanks to great parents)
2. Busted my arse and got into the right profession
3. Not living beyond my means
This board is full of people who will say "drive that truck until it dies!!! Who cares that the AC is out and it pulls to the left on the interstate".
Overall, I disagree with that sentiment. We work hard so that we can create security and provide for ourselves and our families at a certain standard of living. There is nothing wrong with spending money (which is what an outsider to the MTB would perceive).
Financial independence is all about spending money within your means. If you love to travel, a nice house, cars, boats, whatever it is...good for you. Prioritize those enjoyments and do not overextend yourself.
If early retirement is your #1 goal, then that is great. Invest and push to retire at 35.
The typical problem that emerges in these threads is the group think around owning anything nice or enjoying the fruits of labor. I am not pointing fingers but it happens in every single one of these threads.
For example, I drive a very nice car because it was a dream of mine from the time I was a little kid. I always wanted to own a luxury car when I got older, but only if I could afford it. If I got in a financial bind, the car is the first thing to go (I am not attached to it, but I do like it). I travel a lot and have no problem eating at restaurants. I live in a nice apartment and save around 30-40% of my take home pay each month. I could bump that savings rate up a decent bit if I got a beater car and lived in a cheaper apartment, but I see that as unnecessary.
2. Busted my arse and got into the right profession
3. Not living beyond my means
This board is full of people who will say "drive that truck until it dies!!! Who cares that the AC is out and it pulls to the left on the interstate".
Overall, I disagree with that sentiment. We work hard so that we can create security and provide for ourselves and our families at a certain standard of living. There is nothing wrong with spending money (which is what an outsider to the MTB would perceive).
Financial independence is all about spending money within your means. If you love to travel, a nice house, cars, boats, whatever it is...good for you. Prioritize those enjoyments and do not overextend yourself.
If early retirement is your #1 goal, then that is great. Invest and push to retire at 35.
The typical problem that emerges in these threads is the group think around owning anything nice or enjoying the fruits of labor. I am not pointing fingers but it happens in every single one of these threads.
For example, I drive a very nice car because it was a dream of mine from the time I was a little kid. I always wanted to own a luxury car when I got older, but only if I could afford it. If I got in a financial bind, the car is the first thing to go (I am not attached to it, but I do like it). I travel a lot and have no problem eating at restaurants. I live in a nice apartment and save around 30-40% of my take home pay each month. I could bump that savings rate up a decent bit if I got a beater car and lived in a cheaper apartment, but I see that as unnecessary.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:37 pm to anc
I did all three of the OPs things as well as not having any student loan debt. I also went back and got my Masters in a Finance related field which has helped tremendously. Here are my 6 things:
1. My wife and I bought a 1650 square foot house in Franklin, TN when we were 24 years old. We stayed in it 6 years, through the market crash. It never really depreciated it was in such a good school district and was an all brick home. We did some cosmetic stuff to it and generally just cleaned it up from the previous owners. We sold it for $70k more than we paid for it in 2004. This allowed us to buy a much bigger house in a better school district that had come down a little after the housing crash by putting a good chunk down.
2. We have both always saved roughly 10% of into our 401ks since we started working.
3. We buy reasonable cars, pay them off in 4 years, and drive them for 11-12 years before getting new ones.
4. Generally have zero credit card debt
5. Recently bought pretty decent condos that are renting out for $450 each more than what the note is on them. And they have appreciated since I bought them last year. I can sell these at any time for a profit or hold them and make some additional money each year. My plan is to hold on to them until the kids get to college and either sell them to pay for college or if they get scholarships, retire early or buy a beach house. In the meantime, I can either save this money, invest, or pay down the mortgage on my house.
6. We just in general don't buy a lot stuff. We are not into having the latest greatest gadgets or designer clothes so we don't spend money on that type of stuff.
1. My wife and I bought a 1650 square foot house in Franklin, TN when we were 24 years old. We stayed in it 6 years, through the market crash. It never really depreciated it was in such a good school district and was an all brick home. We did some cosmetic stuff to it and generally just cleaned it up from the previous owners. We sold it for $70k more than we paid for it in 2004. This allowed us to buy a much bigger house in a better school district that had come down a little after the housing crash by putting a good chunk down.
2. We have both always saved roughly 10% of into our 401ks since we started working.
3. We buy reasonable cars, pay them off in 4 years, and drive them for 11-12 years before getting new ones.
4. Generally have zero credit card debt
5. Recently bought pretty decent condos that are renting out for $450 each more than what the note is on them. And they have appreciated since I bought them last year. I can sell these at any time for a profit or hold them and make some additional money each year. My plan is to hold on to them until the kids get to college and either sell them to pay for college or if they get scholarships, retire early or buy a beach house. In the meantime, I can either save this money, invest, or pay down the mortgage on my house.
6. We just in general don't buy a lot stuff. We are not into having the latest greatest gadgets or designer clothes so we don't spend money on that type of stuff.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:41 pm to AnonymousTiger
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Three things that have helped shape your financial independence
1. Rich parents
2. No student loan debt (see #1 above)
3. Good job with great pay (due to friends of #1 above)
Hahahah I have to agree this has made financial independence way easier
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:43 pm to anc
1. Completed MBA/MHA. Don't laugh. Bio students are financial retards straight out of undergrad. Early graduate finance classes were life changing for me.
2. Had credit in my name from an early age.
3. Married Sugarmomma.
2. Had credit in my name from an early age.
3. Married Sugarmomma.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:51 pm to Serraneaux
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6. We just in general don't buy a lot stuff. We are not into having the latest greatest gadgets or designer clothes so we don't spend money on that type of stuff.
Us too. Ive never really thought of it as benefitting the financial long term. I buy a lot of my dress clothes at Kohls and JCPenney. Every once in a while I will shop at Belk.
Went to lunch with a friend recently and he stopped in a high end men's clothing store. I audibly gasped at the prices. Told my wife and she showed me a thread on Facebook of her teacher friends talking about how much to spend on a purse. $400-$500 was the most common answer. Then my wife said that she spent $70, one time. She's not into designer clothes or jewelry either.
I have splurged for gadgety here and there, but not gone overboard.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:57 pm to anc
I literally have to tell the wife to go buy new clothes. Honestly, neither one of even has time to spend a bunch of money buying stuff which helps.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:20 pm to anc
1) I started a business
2) I busted my arse to make it successful
3) If I want a raise I go out and bust my arse to get more business
4) I love what I do
2) I busted my arse to make it successful
3) If I want a raise I go out and bust my arse to get more business
4) I love what I do
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:26 pm to anc
1. I am lucky to be good at math
2. My grandfather taught me the value of compound interest and instilled an interest in investment at a young age
3. I walked backwards into a profession that pays 6 figures
2. My grandfather taught me the value of compound interest and instilled an interest in investment at a young age
3. I walked backwards into a profession that pays 6 figures
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:47 pm to anc
1. I quit my tenured-teaching job the week before my first child was born.
2. I decided to go to graduate school.
3. I encouraged my wife to take a preschool teaching job so she could have more time with our children.
Oh wait...that's the three things that helped kill my financial independence.
2. I decided to go to graduate school.
3. I encouraged my wife to take a preschool teaching job so she could have more time with our children.
Oh wait...that's the three things that helped kill my financial independence.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:08 pm to anc
As someone that feels like they're new to gaining financial independence I'll list some things:
1. Seen exactly how NOT to treat money from watching my mother make 6 figures a year and knowing she'll work until the day she dies because she has no savings. But she has a movie collection the size of a small warehouse and has a nice new shiny car/truck every couple of years.
2. Learned how to budget- My ex and I used to live in a house with a $650 mortgage. We made > 80k a year between the 2 of us but never seemed to have money. When I got divorced, I was terrified about how I could afford to live on my own. In the past 15 months I've finished paying off my student loans (~8k) and I'm a few paychecks away from having saved enough to pay off the car (~11k). I had to refinance the car a year ago (due to the divorce) for 36 months, and will have it paid off in roughly 1 year from the time I refinanced. (4 years in total instead of 6).
3. Learned from my mistakes- When I was 22-ish I got evicted from my apartment because I couldn't afford the rent anymore. Had around 3k credit card debt and went out all the time. It was a disaster for my finances and my credit in general. I had around a 550 credit score back then. I now pay 90% of everything I have with a credit card, but pay it off every couple of weeks or so so as to take advantage of the benefits.
Things are so much better for me now, financially, but mainly from a mental standpoint. By July, I will be debt free...completely. Now I have to start focusing on the future. My company doesn't have a 401k match, so I've never bothered to set one up...I figured I'd work on using that extra money to just pay down my debt, but now that I've essentially done that, I need to learn how to save for my future.
1. Seen exactly how NOT to treat money from watching my mother make 6 figures a year and knowing she'll work until the day she dies because she has no savings. But she has a movie collection the size of a small warehouse and has a nice new shiny car/truck every couple of years.
2. Learned how to budget- My ex and I used to live in a house with a $650 mortgage. We made > 80k a year between the 2 of us but never seemed to have money. When I got divorced, I was terrified about how I could afford to live on my own. In the past 15 months I've finished paying off my student loans (~8k) and I'm a few paychecks away from having saved enough to pay off the car (~11k). I had to refinance the car a year ago (due to the divorce) for 36 months, and will have it paid off in roughly 1 year from the time I refinanced. (4 years in total instead of 6).
3. Learned from my mistakes- When I was 22-ish I got evicted from my apartment because I couldn't afford the rent anymore. Had around 3k credit card debt and went out all the time. It was a disaster for my finances and my credit in general. I had around a 550 credit score back then. I now pay 90% of everything I have with a credit card, but pay it off every couple of weeks or so so as to take advantage of the benefits.
Things are so much better for me now, financially, but mainly from a mental standpoint. By July, I will be debt free...completely. Now I have to start focusing on the future. My company doesn't have a 401k match, so I've never bothered to set one up...I figured I'd work on using that extra money to just pay down my debt, but now that I've essentially done that, I need to learn how to save for my future.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 3:14 pm to anc
The biggest thing that shaped my current financial independence happened about 7 yrs ago. Wife lost her ability to work for about 2 yrs and that left me in a major bind because we had always borrowed based off of 2 incomes. So it took about a yr of struggling before we made some major changes and now today we are 10x better off then we have ever been.
Sometimes the struggle is the learning experience.
Sometimes the struggle is the learning experience.
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