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re: There are some major issues lurking in the US financial markets
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:24 am to Hussss
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:24 am to Hussss
quote:Nah, I also use Schwab's ratings from time to time. They have more information about companies than I do so I respect their ratings.
You THINK you are smarter than SCHW analysts
However, they are not always right. Enron was rated "A" by Schwab up until 3 days before Enron declared bankruptcy.
I suppose you already know, you knowing more than any of us and all, that Schwab has analyzed its ratings system which shows that historically its "B" rated stocks have performed better than its "A" rated stocks.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 11:04 am to LSURussian
In other news, not sure if you are an investor in AMZN or not but today marks its short to intermediate term top.
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 2:16 pm to Hussss
So funny that husss gets at least two downvotes every post. He’s had some crazy posts, like 1300 S&P, but I don’t think a lot of what he says is outside of the normal realm of trading analysis and opinions. Anyway...
Posted on 1/8/19 at 2:19 pm to leoj
I know EXACTLY who both insecure downvotes ALWAYS are. Same thing happens to Doc Fenton who always gives great insights. SOME (not all) comments are for entertainment purposes but at least I am always willing to MAKE a call unlike most on here. I give out exactly what continues to work for myself. Just want to share some.
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This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 2:39 pm to leoj
Oh cool, I’m collateral damage now.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:23 pm to Hussss
This thread is still going?
Oh, you’re one of those
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Every trade I have posted has been successful.
Oh, you’re one of those
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:54 pm to wutangfinancial
In the spirit of trying to get things back on track here a little bit, there are a whole bunch of interesting things to discuss over the past several days, such as:
#1. The markets for interest rate swaps are starting to behave as predicting the Fed to cut interest rates in 2019. (Additionally, I think the yield curve inversion process is slowly churning toward the inevitable, albeit with some occasional action in the steepening direction.)
#2. High yield credit spreads have just experienced huge whipsaw action, dropping sharply and stabilizing from prior highs around 1/3. The VIX also continues to drop. (I don't think either of these trends will last for many more days.)
#3. Germany seems to be entering an industrial recession, which might put pressure on Deutsche Bank if it causes European credit spreads to begin widening again. (Other firms like SoftBank and GE may also be in trouble, and Sears demonstrates the continuing death of big retail.)
#4. The data laundering allegation with Manafort & Kilimnik will likely up the public pressure already on Facebook. More is coming from Mueller. Meanwhile for Apple, the shocking Q4 guidance from Samsung doesn't portend good things for the tech space. (Although on the positive side, the rollout of 5G technology should be a boon for tech in 2019.)
#5. Some believe that the housing and mortgage crisis is far from over. But the Chinese middle class has been part of what's been propping up U.S. home prices so far. That's classic asset bubble behavior for a foreign country. I know we've had serious warnings about China for about 15 years now, but their credit problem has gone beyond public debt and loans to SOEs.
#6. Steve Eisman, of "The Big Short" fame, has joined the growing chorus of fund managers (see Druckenmiller, Dalio, Hussman, Felder, etc.) warning about the current state of markets.
On the subject of my recent speculations of this possibly being the last clearing rally before a big plunge down (making what happened in the 4Q of 2018 mere tremors), I now feel a lot better, and am now better off, for having exiting my short positions from 12/13 - 12/21 last year.
On 12/27/2018, based on the "compression" of the U.S. equities market, Hussman wrote, "Technicals would normalize with a retrace to 2580-2630, but even I can't rely on that."
Well based on the futures market, we will likely be there at tomorrow's opening bell. Now Hussman doesn't reveal the secret sauce of his proprietary "market internals", and even he admits that it's not highly reliable... BUT, we are now back in the danger zone for a plunge I think.
Based on logical reasoning, I surmised that the White House was planning something to give the markets a nice bump with disseminating positive news to appear to resolve the federal budget standoff and the U.S.-China trade negotiations. Nothing sharp has happened yet, so I'm staying in cash for now, but I'm starting to wonder if the markets might be trickling up in a manner that is starting to have these market bounces already baked in the cake. So I want to be calm and wait at least another week to make sure these bounces happen, but I'm starting to get antsy and worry about a big event triggering a plunge before I'm able to get off the sidelines and into the game. I am trying hard to focus on patience.
#1. The markets for interest rate swaps are starting to behave as predicting the Fed to cut interest rates in 2019. (Additionally, I think the yield curve inversion process is slowly churning toward the inevitable, albeit with some occasional action in the steepening direction.)
#2. High yield credit spreads have just experienced huge whipsaw action, dropping sharply and stabilizing from prior highs around 1/3. The VIX also continues to drop. (I don't think either of these trends will last for many more days.)
#3. Germany seems to be entering an industrial recession, which might put pressure on Deutsche Bank if it causes European credit spreads to begin widening again. (Other firms like SoftBank and GE may also be in trouble, and Sears demonstrates the continuing death of big retail.)
#4. The data laundering allegation with Manafort & Kilimnik will likely up the public pressure already on Facebook. More is coming from Mueller. Meanwhile for Apple, the shocking Q4 guidance from Samsung doesn't portend good things for the tech space. (Although on the positive side, the rollout of 5G technology should be a boon for tech in 2019.)
#5. Some believe that the housing and mortgage crisis is far from over. But the Chinese middle class has been part of what's been propping up U.S. home prices so far. That's classic asset bubble behavior for a foreign country. I know we've had serious warnings about China for about 15 years now, but their credit problem has gone beyond public debt and loans to SOEs.
#6. Steve Eisman, of "The Big Short" fame, has joined the growing chorus of fund managers (see Druckenmiller, Dalio, Hussman, Felder, etc.) warning about the current state of markets.
On the subject of my recent speculations of this possibly being the last clearing rally before a big plunge down (making what happened in the 4Q of 2018 mere tremors), I now feel a lot better, and am now better off, for having exiting my short positions from 12/13 - 12/21 last year.
On 12/27/2018, based on the "compression" of the U.S. equities market, Hussman wrote, "Technicals would normalize with a retrace to 2580-2630, but even I can't rely on that."
Well based on the futures market, we will likely be there at tomorrow's opening bell. Now Hussman doesn't reveal the secret sauce of his proprietary "market internals", and even he admits that it's not highly reliable... BUT, we are now back in the danger zone for a plunge I think.
Based on logical reasoning, I surmised that the White House was planning something to give the markets a nice bump with disseminating positive news to appear to resolve the federal budget standoff and the U.S.-China trade negotiations. Nothing sharp has happened yet, so I'm staying in cash for now, but I'm starting to wonder if the markets might be trickling up in a manner that is starting to have these market bounces already baked in the cake. So I want to be calm and wait at least another week to make sure these bounces happen, but I'm starting to get antsy and worry about a big event triggering a plunge before I'm able to get off the sidelines and into the game. I am trying hard to focus on patience.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:20 pm to Doc Fenton
You should scale into non leveraged inverse ETFs like PSQ or SH. I have those plus some puts that expire in June. The high yield bond action is truly bizarre..HYG, the corporate fund I follow is back near 84 after dipping into the 70s.
I don’t really pay attention to the yield inversions much to be honest. I understand it’s weird when short term treasuries pay higher rates than long term ones. I’m not sure how much of a leading indicator such inversions are for equities
I don’t really pay attention to the yield inversions much to be honest. I understand it’s weird when short term treasuries pay higher rates than long term ones. I’m not sure how much of a leading indicator such inversions are for equities
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:03 am to Doc Fenton
Just about a month ago, Eisman is on record saying that a recession is not looming
ETA: but if you take him at face value on what he recently said, he’s talking about the corporate bond market
ETA: but if you take him at face value on what he recently said, he’s talking about the corporate bond market
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:20 am to Doc Fenton
quote:Your link says Eisman was only referring to the lower-rated investment-grade corporate bond market.
#6. Steve Eisman, of "The Big Short" fame, has joined the growing chorus of fund managers (see Druckenmiller, Dalio, Hussman, Felder, etc.) warning about the current state of markets.
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-Steve Eisman, the "Big Short" investor who called the subprime market meltdown, is warning about lower-rated investment-grade corporate debt.
Steve Eisman, immortalized in the Michael Lewis book "The Big Short," is the latest to issue a warning about company debt at the lowest rung of the investment-grade ladder.
And in the same article you linked was this quote:
quote:It appears you're cherry-picking and maybe even misrepresenting quotes from articles out of confirmation bias.
Eisman said he doesn't see a recession coming,
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:22 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
You actually think they (MSM) will let anyone tell the people that a recession is coming and destroy confidence? The narrative has to be controlled at all costs.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:24 am to Doc Fenton
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:31 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Everything has to be taken in context. Eisman is not known as a macro guy. He's known as a guy that looks into particular markets for signs of trouble there. But he does see trouble, and as myself and others in this thread have noted, the leveraged bond market is where we believe trouble will originate for this bear market.
I've cited Gundlach in other posts to this thread as well, and he's another guy you can throw into the category of believing there is trouble in the current markets (the main theme of this thread), while also being on the record as not seeing a recession coming.
But the thing about people predicting recessions is that it tends to happen quickly, and a whole crowd of people can go from "no problems on the horizon" to "here comes a recession" within a couple of months. I think over the past several weeks, we've started to see a cascade of more and more people predicting an upcoming recession in 2019 or 2020.
Just this week, The Washington Post published an article from Larry Summers (take that with a grain of salt of course, but he's at least a well known and respected mainstream economist) where he writes, "The overall judgment of financial markets is that a recession is significantly more likely than not in the next two years." I agree with that.
You don't necessarily need a recession in order to have a severe bear market, as I noted with the Japanese example, but it is certainly a related topic, and I do think that a recession will occur before the end of 2020.
I've cited Gundlach in other posts to this thread as well, and he's another guy you can throw into the category of believing there is trouble in the current markets (the main theme of this thread), while also being on the record as not seeing a recession coming.
But the thing about people predicting recessions is that it tends to happen quickly, and a whole crowd of people can go from "no problems on the horizon" to "here comes a recession" within a couple of months. I think over the past several weeks, we've started to see a cascade of more and more people predicting an upcoming recession in 2019 or 2020.
Just this week, The Washington Post published an article from Larry Summers (take that with a grain of salt of course, but he's at least a well known and respected mainstream economist) where he writes, "The overall judgment of financial markets is that a recession is significantly more likely than not in the next two years." I agree with that.
You don't necessarily need a recession in order to have a severe bear market, as I noted with the Japanese example, but it is certainly a related topic, and I do think that a recession will occur before the end of 2020.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:34 am to Doc Fenton
Would the Fed lose all credibility by market participants if they just cut the FF rate back to 0.25 bps? I think the dollar is going to get fricked over the next decade when this is all said and done.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:35 am to Hussss
quote:Are you kidding!?!
You actually think they (MSM) will let anyone tell the people that a recession is coming
CNBC runs articles and has people on their shows all the time warning about a possible recession.
quote:LINK
The ongoing plunge in oil prices shows that the market is worried about a recession in 2019, says Helima Croft, head of global commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets.
quote:LINK
A recession worse than 2008 is coming
quote:LINK
Next recession is coming into view, says Mark Zandi
quote:LINK
75% of the ultra-rich forecast a US recession in the next two years, survey finds
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:36 am to LSURussian
quote:
You actually think they (MSM) will let anyone tell the people that a recession is coming
Ya man, hysteria really gets clicks, I have to disagree with you on that.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:38 am to LSURussian
Hope you sold AMZN yesterday
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:39 am to wutangfinancial
Credibility to maintain their schedule for renormalizing monetary policy? Yes, they would lose it, and people would rightly start to wonder if we will ever escape the ZIRP trap.
I think they'll hold steady for a while, and then cut rates late in the game this year once the writing is on the wall. I also don't think much of what the Fed does this year will matter. I mean, it will matter a lot in terms of triggering market moves from week-to-week, but in the big picture over the whole year, I don't think the Fed will be able to affect it very much.
I think they'll hold steady for a while, and then cut rates late in the game this year once the writing is on the wall. I also don't think much of what the Fed does this year will matter. I mean, it will matter a lot in terms of triggering market moves from week-to-week, but in the big picture over the whole year, I don't think the Fed will be able to affect it very much.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:44 am to Doc Fenton
Their balance sheet normalizing is the elephant in the room and they have not stopped letting UST and MBS roll off (yet). 25 basis point hikes don't matter as much (yet, until rates get too high for all the debt to handle).
You shorting here Doc? VIX bottomed in the short to intermediate term.
You shorting here Doc? VIX bottomed in the short to intermediate term.
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