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re: The social security tax cap is going to be lifted before 2033.

Posted on 4/23/25 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 1:08 pm to
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I absolutely did not say or imply that.

When you post that your income tax will go up by an amount over double that of the median income, it comes across as a not so subtle brag.
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wealth tax

frick that. I'd rather they increase the death tax - take it after I'm gone, I won't give a shite. After all, aren't we supposed to be a country of self-made, rugged individuals picking ourselves up by our own bootstraps?

If you want to target high-end wealth, increase the exemption and the rate of the inheritance tax.

Personally, I would leave taxes alone until:
a.) the economy stabilizes
2: the budget is balanced.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 3:09 pm to
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When you post that your income tax will go up
Payroll tax?
Presumably with an attached massively increased and taxable "benefit" IAW SS scheduled payout?

Fiscally it would just kick the can down the road until the cap-unlimited payout is due to contributors. Sounds like a really bad idea.

Far better to scale the program back or faze it out.
But that won't happen for reasons explained earlier in this thread.

So we're looking at high probability of increased payroll tax share from 6.2% to 7.5% with an employer match.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3152 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:38 pm to
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Fiscally it would just kick the can down the road until the cap-unlimited payout is due to contributors. 

Due to the bend points, the payout per $ contributed drastically reduces at the higher end so seems like it could work. I'd like to see the math. I think we're headed for means testing if not. Means testing may be too unpalatable paired with higher/unlimited contribution limits.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3152 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:43 pm to
It probably wouldn't make a dent but while we're talking SS reform, isn't it about time we change the spouse benefit rules? In the modern world makes little sense that a non-working/low earning spouse can draw on the earning spouses benefit without making additional contributions. Even more absurd when you consider multiple ex spouses can draw on same benefit
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:46 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:44 pm to
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means testing
Then they'll have to restructure the program to a straight tax and spend
Posted by Breadcrumbs
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
3039 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:45 pm to
why doesn't anyone mention the fact that spouses that have never worked are entitled to 50% of their spouse's earned social security? So people who have just single incomes in a joint household wind up getting 150% of earned benefits? Is that just not a material amount to begin cutting first, rather than going straight for higher taxes and raising the full retirement age? And this windfall provision just made a bad situation worse. People who were precluded from receiving benefits because they get state or federal or teacher's pensions now can get social security too...especially the 50% of their spousal security benefit mentioned above that we were previously denied.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3152 posts
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:56 pm to
The windfall provision had flaws but the fix is disproportionately advantageous to those mostly state/local govt employees that dont pay into SS during their peak earning years. Now they get to draw SS based on their pre/post govt years and get a much better rate of return on their limited contributions.
Now we're talking about not taxing tips so yet another segment of workers that wont be contributing. On that note, why is labor compensated via gratuity any different than W2 income? Wish we just moved to employers paying full wages in service industry and leave a little just to bee nice if you want (it works elsewhere.) Raise menu prices etc to compensate and cheap free loading customers will pay their fair share finally.
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