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Tax efficiency in brokerage accounts

Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1591 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 3:37 pm
From reading, it looks like REITs are fairly tax inefficient for non tax friendly accounts. Do you solely invest in these in your 401k etc? Or do you still bite it off in taxable accounts for a diversity standpoint?

I’m mostly ETFs in taxable accounts to attempt to maximize efficiency but am very heavy in S&P related investments (75% of portfolio). The rest is some international exposure and the rest DOW.

I have sworn off individual stocks as I am not willing to spend the time to maximize return with this.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1579 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:07 pm to
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Tax-efficient_fund_placement

I follow the above. In my taxable account it's split between VTI and VXUS. The bulk of my international allocation is here as you get a tax credit (vs deduction) for foreign dividends if you itemize.

My Roth IRA is split between VTI and the individual stocks I own. My 401k/roll over IRA/HSA is a mix of bond, stock and REIT funds. This is where I do my rebalancing to keep my allocation correct across all my accounts.

The only non efficient thing I do is my emergency fund that covers 1 year of basic expenses. The bulk of it is in T-bills in a taxable acct throwing off interest but at least it's exempt from state taxes. I'm moving 10k of that to I bonds every year which is tax deferred and exempt from state taxes.
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:13 am to
My roth is almost entirely made up of REITs. I want exposure to REITs and that seemed like the perfect vehicle to get just the right amount of exposure.

You can even hold a certain amount of MLPs in your roth which is even more tax efficient but I never wanted to worry about going over the threshold. I’d actually be curious if anyone else has thought or ideas on this as I’ve never fully jumped into the topic.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 10:16 am
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
35461 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:20 am to
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I have sworn off individual stocks as I am not willing to spend the time to maximize return with this.
That’s a good idea. The more time you do spend, the more you realize you don’t know or can’t control. By the time you’ve learned enough for it to actually be worthwhile to pick individual stocks, you’re likely to be jaded on the concept altogether.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 1:24 pm to
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You can even hold a certain amount of MLPs in your roth which is even more tax efficient but I never wanted to worry about going over the threshold. I’d actually be curious if anyone else has thought or ideas on this as I’ve never fully jumped into the topic.



Why would you waste Roth space for MLPs when MLPs have very positive tax treatment in taxable? I haven't paid tax on MLP distributions in over 10 years which helps a lot in trying to show lower income for ACA insurance purposes, etc.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40260 posts
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:14 pm to
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Why would you waste Roth space for MLPs when MLPs have very positive tax treatment in taxable? I haven't paid tax on MLP distributions in over 10 years which helps a lot in trying to show lower income for ACA insurance purposes, etc.


You are going to be in for a shock when you sell them...

Now I know some people plan on staying the MLP until they die. Works well until the MLP decides to do something dumb like a taxable reorganization or merger...
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