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re: Retiring before 50

Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Retirement, for me, will involve ZERO guilt or worry about money. That means things like not having to price shop for almost any good or service


You want to work hard and save so you can piss off good habits and spend carefree?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:48 pm to
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You want to work hard and save so you can piss off good habits and spend carefree?


The funny thing is you’d need a lot more than 10 million to live the lifestyle he put in his post.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:48 pm to
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To each there own but I’d rather work 10 years less.
I don't understand your math here.

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Oh it’s just a troll. Carry on then.
I'm not trolling at all - I'm dead serious. In fact, this has been a massive trend, basically started during the pandemic. An entire generation of old folks looked around and said "who cares if I die with $15M or $14M - I'm going to see my damned grandkids"...and they haven't looked back.

It's telling that you think enjoying the fruits of one's labors in a truly liberating way is "trolling".
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:51 pm to
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You want to work hard and save so you can piss off good habits and spend carefree?
I want to have enough money so I spend close to 0% of my time caring about things like the price of gas or plane tickets. I'm a high-earner now, but getting later in my career. I am routinely amazed at how much brain damage (even rich and wealthy) people put into caring about small dollar things.

And how are you portraying "spend carefree" as something negative? That's virtually the definition of freedom itself. So I guess my answer is, yes, I want to work hard so I have freedom.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:53 pm to
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The funny thing is you’d need a lot more than 10 million to live the lifestyle he put in his post.
Probably not, but I did say AT LEAST in my post. It depends on where you live. Where I live, I need more than that. For some off the grid type of deal in rural Mississippi? Probably less.

But put some numbers on it. What exactly have I said that's so outlandish? I pretty much live that way now while working. The goal is to build the denominator enough to keep it going when I choose for the income to go away.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:54 pm to
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I don't understand your math here.


My current number is about 5 mil.

I’m saving pretty aggressively. It would take me another 8 years to hit 10 mil. So off the top of my head I was off by a couple years.

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I'm not trolling at all - I'm dead serious. In fact, this has been a massive trend, basically started during the pandemic. An entire generation of old folks looked around and said "who cares if I die with $15M or $14M - I'm going to see my damned grandkids"...and they haven't looked back.


What does any of this have to do with chartering private jets every year?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:55 pm to
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What does any of this have to do with chartering private jets every year?
Umm...what?
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:55 pm to
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And how are you portraying "spend carefree" as something negative? That's virtually the definition of freedom itself.


Freedom isn't free as they say.

You be you.

I'm just laughing at the discipline needed to save so you can reach a point to flaunt being undisciplined.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:57 pm to
I agree with you. $10MM is my number for the exact reasons you state.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:57 pm to
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Umm...what?


You tell us. You’re the one who brought up budgeting a million bucks to fly private
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:01 pm to
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I'm just laughing at the discipline needed to save so you can reach a point to flaunt being undisciplined.
Flaunt? Where did you get that?

I can see where you think it's a humorous juxtaposition. But the discipline is to get to the goal.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:02 pm to
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You tell us. You’re the one who brought up budgeting a million bucks to fly private
Yes, I brought it up. Then you accused me of trolling. Then I pointed out the trend of high-net-worth older people rationally spending on exactly this. THEN you asked me what that had to do with private jet travel.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:03 pm to
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I pretty much live that way now while working.


You’re current spend is 20k+ per month, not counting savings?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:05 pm to
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You’re current spend is 20k+ per month
Not sure where you got that number, as you have no idea of my house/mortgage/family situation, but sure, that's not far off.

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not counting savings?
What?
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18630 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Anyone here done it? Any tips of so? It is my dream. Or semi-retire (work 2 to 3 days a week) at least anyway. Everything is paid off, no kids, in mid 30s. I'm extremely frugal. Wife (no pics) not so much. I'm thinking if I can save like 60% of my income over the next 10 years I can get this done. Just gotta keep the wifey motivated to continue saving. Trying to convince her to move her 401k contribution up to 15% since we just paid off the house.


I’m 41 and I could probably do it but I won’t. I enjoy working but I may cut back some of my company will let me.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:07 pm to
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I agree with you. $10MM is my number for the exact reasons you state.
I find it to be a rather un-controversial claim.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
26028 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:08 pm to
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But the discipline is to get to the goal.


And the stated goal is lack of discipline.

At ease.

You are doing great.
You don't save $10M by being lucky.
And the beauty is that once you earn it, you can spend it any which GD way you choose.

I'm still in the middle of the accumulation phase. You talk about spending money in retirement and my eyes and ears see/hear what it takes to save that amount.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
4257 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:15 pm to
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You talk about spending money in retirement and my eyes and ears see/hear what it takes to save that amount.
If you get a good paying job early in life, start saving then, take risk, get lucky (or don't get unlucky), the power of compounding interest can get you there. On top of that you can't make any wealth-destroying decisions along the way (divorce, anyone?).

The problem is most people are uneducated about how to grow wealth at a young age nor have the discipline to play the long game.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3155 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:16 pm to
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You don't use retirement accounts.


You do if thats what is available to you. 85-90% of my net worth is tied up in retirement accounts, even with a paid for home. Call it luck or whatever, but my retirement accounts have done exceptionally well. I'll use whatever method available to draw early from them.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38348 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:17 pm to
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And the stated goal is lack of discipline.
I think that's too glib of a way to state it. Instead, I would say "live a life unencumbered by meaningless thrift concerns". I truly watch that shite consume people, and I just can't understand it.

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You don't save $10M by being lucky.
Plenty of luck.

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