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Replacing mortgage with HELOC to pay house off quicker

Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted by TigerWerm
7th circle of hell
Member since Nov 2005
5788 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:33 pm
Ran across this and wondering if it is a legit method...has anyone tried it?

LINK
Posted by whatshisface
Westside
Member since Jun 2012
272 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 2:49 pm to
HELOC's are usually adjustable rates.
Posted by hombreman9
USA
Member since Feb 2009
3781 posts
Posted on 4/8/17 at 7:07 am to
Just get a HELOC as a second. You can use it to pay off chunks of your mortgage at a time if that is your thing. I don't use mine for this, but it is very handy. I pay it down a bit with every paycheck, then use it for big expenses like taxes and tuition. It is also my emergency fund and my go to source whenever an investment opportunity comes up.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:53 am to
If you have excess cash flow and pay into the HELOC as much and as often as possible, and using it as your checking account you're basically using all your excess cash to invest in paying off the HELOC instead of having it sit in a savings or checking account, not earning interest.

If you have a traditional mortgage instead you can't pull money back out when you need it, so you pretty much have to keep extra cash around.

But there are some downsides to the HELOC approach:

1. HELOC's are variable rate notes, but a traditional mortgage is fixed. The Fed has told everyone they want to slowly raise rates, so depending on your exact terms the fixed rate note may come out ahead.
2. The HELOC approach uses your extra cash to pay down the mortgage but you may have better uses for that cash. Sure, it shouldn't just sit in a checking account but you may have better investment opportunities than in paying off a HELOC.

If your rate is low enough it may not make sense to pay it off early. In my personal situation I was fortunate enough to get a 30 year note at 3.25%. I itemize, so the after-tax rate is really a shade under 2.5%. The long-term rate of inflation is usually about 2%, so my note really only costs me 0.5%. I'm not interested in paying it off early at all, there are better uses for my extra cash.

That's the nice thing about fixed rate notes - your monthly payment today of $x costs far less 30 years from now even though the number is the same. You really have to think in terms of rate of return instead of monthly amounts because the value of the dollar amount decreases with time due to inflation.

tl/dr
Pro: The HELOC approach maximizes your paydown if you have extra cash flow.
Cons: Variable rate vs. fixed in a rising rate environment, and if your rate is low enough you may be better off investing elsewhere.

ETA: Another thing to think about is that you can only use a HELOC this way during the draw period, usually ten years or so. When it ends, you must repay principal and interest for the rest of the term. At that point you should either a) be able to get another HELOC to rinse and repeat, or b) have your emergency fund set up and funded.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 9:54 am
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11919 posts
Posted on 4/9/17 at 12:56 pm to
They call it Sweep here in Hawaii and I guess other places. I've thought about doing it but I just learned of it last year and the rates have come up since. It's a little risky I would guess with the Fed talking of raising the rates more this year. You'll have to get multiple HELOCs so you pay a good bit in fees I would imagine and who knows what the rate will be in the next few years.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
1947 posts
Posted on 4/9/17 at 2:56 pm to
I just dont get it, it seems you are borrowing from peter to pay paul?
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3898 posts
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:53 pm to
quote:

Just get a HELOC as a second. You can use it to pay off chunks of your mortgage at a time if that is your thing. I don't use mine for this, but it is very handy. I pay it down a bit with every paycheck, then use it for big expenses like taxes and tuition. It is also my emergency fund and my go to source whenever an investment opportunity comes up.


I laughed when I read your comment. I do the exact same thing. Used mine as a down payment on investment property, to pay for part of the kid's college tuition, and my taxes last year. Why pay high credit card interest on unplanned purchases when a HELOC is low interest and it is tax deductible?
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3987 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:50 am to
Can anyone explain this to me? That website seems really scammy
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9803 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:33 am to
"Can anyone explain this to me? That website seems really scammy"


I did not read it.

Because you cannot borrow yourself to prosperity.
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3987 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:11 am to
I did some more research on this and found this article online which explains it well.. LINK

quote:

The “method” of paying off your mortgage early using a HELOC is more than a little complicated. You can read the full version of the strategy here, but here’s a summary of how it works:

You must have a positive cash flow—that is, your monthly income exceeds your expenses—the more the better.

In select months, you put your entire paycheck towards your mortgage.

You need a credit card, one that will give you “free money” (a grace period) for up to 45 days.

In the months when you put your entire paycheck towards your mortgage, you put the rest of your expenses on your credit card.

You add a HELOC to your home, preferably one with a debit card.

After the end of the credit card grace period, you transfer your entire credit card balance to the HELOC.

With your next paycheck, you pay off your HELOC balance, instead of your mortgage.

The next paycheck—after the one that pays off the HELOC—is once again applied to your mortgage.

Repeat the cycle again and again.


quote:

Confused? Let’s work out an example.

Say you have a $200,000 mortgage, and your net paycheck is $5,000 per month. One month, you apply your whole paycheck to the mortgage. This immediately lowers the mortgage balance to $195,000. That month, you pay your non-housing living expenses, say $2,000, using your credit card.

Then, you pay your mortgage payment, say $1,000, using your HELOC. You also pay your credit card balance with your HELOC. At the end of the month, you owe $3,000 on the HELOC and $195,000 on the mortgage, but your credit card has a zero balance.

The next month, your $5,000 paycheck goes to paying $1,000 for the mortgage payment and $2,000 for living expenses. The remaining $2,000 reducing the HELOC to $1,000.

In the third month, your $5,000 paycheck goes to paying $1,000 for the mortgage payment, $2,000 for living expenses, and $1,000 to zero-out the HELOC.

That leaves you with an extra $1,000, which you carry over to the fourth month. And in the fourth month, you repeat the original cycle of paying your entire $5,000 paycheck toward the mortgage, lowering it to $190,000.

If you are successful in managing this strategy, you should be able to manage four $5,000 payments toward your mortgage each year, above and beyond your regular monthly mortgage payments. That means paying an extra $20,000 of mortgage principal each year.

At that rate, your mortgage will be paid in full after substantially less than 10 years (remembering that the regular mortgage payments that you are continuing to make will also reduce the mortgage balance in increasing increments).
Posted by TigerWerm
7th circle of hell
Member since Nov 2005
5788 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

I did some more research on this and found this article online which explains it well


Great explanations in that article, thank you
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13664 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:19 pm to
If you have a positive cash flow each month, is there any advantage to this, instead of throwing extra at the mortgage? Other than putting your emergency fund toward the mortgage and using the Heloc as the emergency fund?
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3987 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:26 am to
quote:

If you have a positive cash flow each month, is there any advantage to this, instead of throwing extra at the mortgage? Other than putting your emergency fund toward the mortgage and using the Heloc as the emergency fund?



From my understanding, you're essentially replacing your long term mortgage with a series of short term low interest loans with your HELOC. You're basically alternating between throwing your entire income at the mortgage one month, then the next month you put your income into paying off your credit card/heloc. It would take some serious discipline and it seems very risky if you run into any type of emergency. If you lose your income, you could pile up a ton of debt fast, and HELOCs have variable rates that could increase that burden over time.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 7:28 am
Posted by wildcat3
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:46 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted by DieSmilen
My Rubbermaid Desk
Member since Dec 2007
1733 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:12 pm to
I am a little confused with the first month. I get the putting the $5000 on mortgage and the living expense on a cc the first month. I don't follow how it says also pay the mortgage the first month. Does anyone have a spreadsheet or a clearer example?
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