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renting out office to your LLC
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:19 pm
I usually take the home office deductions, but Ive heard of some renting out a room in their house to their LLC. Seems like a wash since you would also show it as income, but I think there is some tax benefit Im not appreciating.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:23 pm to Rust Cohle
Unless I'm missing something this doesn't really make any sense. You'd get a deduction, but you'd have to claim income as well so it seems you'd be worse off because if you just take the home office deduction there is no income attached to it. Only way I can see it as a better deal is you could bring in more expenses be "renting" it, but I would think that wouldn't really fly under audit.
I'm just thinking out loud though so maybe someone else can bring more clarity.
I'm just thinking out loud though so maybe someone else can bring more clarity.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:51 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Yeah, a lot of people do a lot of shite that wouldn’t fly under audit. Only a matter of time before the IRS comes knocking.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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if you just take the home office deduction there is no income attached to it.
Any recapture considerations? Maybe?
Not sure, i know a guy who said he rented to himself as well. When I questioned it and asked him to explain he couldn’t. Definitely seemed sketchy, and futile at best.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:16 pm to TigerDeBaiter
something about not paying fica... passive income
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:31 pm to Rust Cohle
A lot of people buy a building and put it in an LLC, then pay rent to the LLC from their "operating" company. Perfectly legal and above board. You get to pass income from one company to another, and take a lot of expense out of the LLC.
IRS Section 280A(f)(1) of Internal Revenue code allows you to lease portions of your home to your business for the purposes of marketing your company or training of employee's. You have to get your home appraised and you can rent your home up to 13 or 14 times per year. Depending on the size of the home you can rent about 80% of it. You basically pay yourself the rent and the marketing company is paying the tax at a much lower rate, (now 21%). Complicated but legal. Set up a marketing company as a C Corp and you can pay yourself OT pay, salary, pick up meals and alcohol, (2 times per week). Lots of hidden jewells in the tax code.
IRS Section 280A(f)(1) of Internal Revenue code allows you to lease portions of your home to your business for the purposes of marketing your company or training of employee's. You have to get your home appraised and you can rent your home up to 13 or 14 times per year. Depending on the size of the home you can rent about 80% of it. You basically pay yourself the rent and the marketing company is paying the tax at a much lower rate, (now 21%). Complicated but legal. Set up a marketing company as a C Corp and you can pay yourself OT pay, salary, pick up meals and alcohol, (2 times per week). Lots of hidden jewells in the tax code.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:39 pm to Rust Cohle
Is the LLC being taxed as a Schedule C, S Corp, or C Corp? Or Partnership?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 5:15 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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A lot of people buy a building and put it in an LLC, then pay rent to the LLC from their "operating" company. Perfectly legal and above board. You get to pass income from one company to another, and take a lot of expense out of the LLC. IRS Section 280A(f)(1) of Internal Revenue code allows you to lease portions of your home to your business for the purposes of marketing your company or training of employee's. You have to get your home appraised and you can rent your home up to 13 or 14 times per year. Depending on the size of the home you can rent about 80% of it. You basically pay yourself the rent and the marketing company is paying the tax at a much lower rate, (now 21%). Complicated but legal. Set up a marketing company as a C Corp and you can pay yourself OT pay, salary, pick up meals and alcohol, (2 times per week). Lots of hidden jewells in the tax code.
Say what! can you do my taxes, or recommend someone in BR?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 5:55 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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IRS Section 280A(f)(1) of Internal Revenue code allows you to lease portions of your home to your business for the purposes of marketing your company or training of employee's. You have to get your home appraised and you can rent your home up to 13 or 14 times per year. Depending on the size of the home you can rent about 80% of it. You basically pay yourself the rent and the marketing company is paying the tax at a much lower rate, (now 21%). Complicated but legal. Set up a marketing company as a C Corp and you can pay yourself OT pay, salary, pick up meals and alcohol, (2 times per week). Lots of hidden jewells in the tax code.
This seems like a really complicated way to save what can't be more than a couple hundred bucks per year. You bring in C corps income tax and then tax on the dividends you dispirse to yourself and such. So while you proved it to be possible seems completely unnecessary for 99.9% of people.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 6:56 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
LINK
it looks like you dont pay income taxes on rentals less than 14 days. but how is that the case for things like airbnb?
Then you can write off the expense
it looks like you dont pay income taxes on rentals less than 14 days. but how is that the case for things like airbnb?
Then you can write off the expense
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:13 pm to Rust Cohle
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it looks like you dont pay income taxes on rentals less than 14 days. but how is that the case for things like airbnb?
ahh see what you are saying now. Treat it as a rental for less than 14 days. Still seems like a pain because the rent would have to be FMV so it's not like you could rent it to yourself for 10k a day.
I wasn't putting 2 and 2 together at first, but still seems like a pain for little reward. And in the chance of an audit you'd have to have much better records than the home office expense.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
max home office write of is $1500? with the other way you can rent 80% of your home. office bathrooms, hallways.... Surely FMV is $2 a sq ft. for 400-1000 sqftx$2 /30 days x 14 days a month. Is 4480-11,200
Posted on 1/26/18 at 1:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
It’s a great way for self employed to save money on taxes. Dr’s, lawyers, consultants and small business owners are best suited for these strategies, but not if you are an employee. We saved $127,000 in taxes in 2017 using these strategies. I have some info on this if interested
Posted on 1/26/18 at 6:24 pm to MadDoggyStyle
That would be great! Rustcohle365@gmail.com
Posted on 1/26/18 at 6:51 pm to Rust Cohle
Yes please send to me also
This post was edited on 1/29/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/27/18 at 2:03 am to diat150
Duck hunting the last few days. I will send when I get back in the office next week.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 9:58 am to MadDoggyStyle
If you could include me as well...
moots04 at gmail dot com
Thanks!
moots04 at gmail dot com
Thanks!
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:27 am to Moots
I googled it, seems legit. Im gonna talk to my CPA. Basically if you have a meeting where you need to get away from the hustle and bustle of the office and would rent say a hotel banquet room, you can basically do the same at your house for 14 days out of the year and give yourself fmv rent. Just need to take minutes of the meeting. Maybe take some pictures. Supposedly it's a write-off for the business and is supposed to be tax free to the individual.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:30 am to diat150
Rust, Diat and Moots, check your mail.
Posted on 1/29/18 at 10:52 am to MadDoggyStyle
Thanks. Looks interesting. We have just been in business a couple of years and try and broach these subjects with the CPA but they feed out little pieces but never a real plan.
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