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Question about having PMI removed from mortgage

Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:55 am
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:55 am
My mortgage is currently through Wells Fargo. My loan to value ratio recently hit 80% and I inquired about having PMI removed. They gave me the option of (1) having an appraisal conducted to prove the value of my house hasn't went down and that the LTV ratio is still 80% or lower or (2) paying a lump sum (+/- $5000) towards my principal get my LTV ratio down to 78% and not having to worry about an appraisal. Lets say that I went with option 1 and got an appraisal and my home value has decreased and I'm no longer at my 80% LTV ratio. Would option 2 still be on the table using the original value of my house with me paying the $5000 to get to 78% or will they recalculate using the revised home value and require me to pay more of a lump some to get to 78%?


I hope that isn't too confusing
Posted by GeauxTime9
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2010
6394 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:04 pm to
I think if you go either option the other is off the board. I may be wrong about this, but I think you can buy out your PMI by paying a higher rate? This may have to be done on the original purchase rate though.

Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166242 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

My mortgage is currently through Wells Fargo


stopped reading... hate those frickers. but good luck though.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8374 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:46 pm to
You could just call Wells Fargo back and ask whoever is on the phone about this. They'll tell you. I know a lot of people hate Wells but the people on the phone have been generally helpful to me.

Or if you're just curious about the value first; pay for a private appraisal to hedge your bets.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30548 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:58 pm to
I actually just went though this with WF. I needed to show that was house had appreciated about 30-40K since I purchased it 3 years ago to get rid of PMI. I had reason to believe that it was well over that amount based on what other houses were selling for in my neighborhood. Option 2 was too much money. I paid for the appraisal and it came in just over what I needed so option 1 worked out for me
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:48 pm to
Thanks guys
Posted by WeeBeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
698 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:04 pm to
I also have a mortgage thru Wells Fargo. My current LTV ratio is only at about 10%. Does this mean that I can have my house reappraised and if it has appreciated enough to push my LTV ratio up to 20% - they will honor that reappraisal number when considering the removal of PMI (rather than the original loan amount)?

I've only been in the house 4 years but we have done a little work to it and property values are way up since then.

Also, do you have to get an appraisal thru the lender?
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

I also have a mortgage thru Wells Fargo. My current LTV ratio is only at about 10%.
I assume you mean a LTV ratio of 90%? You shouldn't be worried about PMI if you're at 10% LTV ratio

I believe I follow what you're saying though. Call WF and tell them that you're interested in having your PMI removed. They will send you a letter in the mail with the 2 options that I listed above. If you get an appraisal and you owe less than 80% of the new appraised value they should remove the PMI. The problem that I'm having is I believe my home's value may have went down in the last 5 years since I bought it.
Posted by WeeBeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
698 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

I assume you mean a LTV ratio of 90%?


Yes - 90%, my bad.

Cool, definitely going to look into this within the next year. Thanks.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
962 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 2:58 pm to
I just removed PMI Monday from my loan. You HAVE to call Wells Fargo and order an appraiser through them, you cannot use your own. Mine cost $550 and I had a copy emailed to me the next day. It took wells fargo about 3 or 4 weeks after receiving the appraisal to remove the PMI and 2 phone calls, but it did happen.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

You HAVE to call Wells Fargo and order an appraiser through them, you cannot use your own.
Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'll use that $550 appraisal cost towards principal because I have a bad feeling they will say that my home's value has decreased. I'll go ahead and pay the lump some and have the PMI removed that way
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Also, do you have to get an appraisal thru the lender?

Yep
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166242 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 3:38 pm to
i've had 2 appraisals done on my house recently, let me just say i think these dudes are pretty conservative to say the least.
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:23 pm to
through WF?
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30548 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 6:45 pm to
I think my appraisal was about 4 months of PMI payments so that's how I looked at it. In 4 months, the removed PMI would cover the appraisal (paid through WF)
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52147 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:50 pm to
That's a good way of looking at it. Mine would probably be the same. I just have a bad feeling about the appraisal
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166242 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:18 pm to
Nah, but these appraisers are all independent and random.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
962 posts
Posted on 10/27/16 at 7:46 am to
quote:

Nah, but these appraisers are all independent and random.


The lender appointed appraiser was a local company. Come to find out, it was the same company they used when I purchased the house in 2013.
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