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Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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Posted on 5/9/23 at 4:15 pm to
I like 94 110 IC idea
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 5:48 pm to
If someone is willing to school me on adjustments I’d love to break even and exit on ABNB credit spread if at all possible.
117/118 5/12 expiry

Sold three around .23 as an earnings play thinking that I had given myself enough downside protection.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 5:55 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:21 am to
Still can’t get a fill in DIS. Aggravating.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 2:44 pm to
I'm in for 5/19s
$93 - $111 iron condor
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

If someone is willing to school me on adjustments I’d love to break even and exit on ABNB credit spread if at all possible.
117/118 5/12 expiry


If I have a one sided spread that's challenged, I'd start by selling the opposite spread against it close to the money. From there I'd get closer to expiration then decide what/how to roll out one side as needed. You're already close to expiration, so that makes it tougher. Youre ITM, so you can also consider going inverted when buying the opposite spread. Your mileage may vary....
This post was edited on 5/10/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
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Posted on 5/10/23 at 3:52 pm to
You should be good there. I don't think the 93 gets tested but if it goes in the money I'd consider opening a stock position at sub 93 if you have the purchasing power.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/10/23 at 7:27 pm to
HD reports on 5/16.
What am I missing regarding the 270/267.5 credit spread?

It would take about a 7% move to reach the short put at $270

Anyone got an expected move on HD?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4094 posts
Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:00 am to
quote:

Anyone got an expected move on HD?


For the 5/19 expiration, as of right now (with the stock at 285.90), the expected move is +/- 15.05.

ETA: Looks like HD reports *before the bell* on 5/16.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 9:02 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26579 posts
Posted on 5/11/23 at 11:08 am to
And there goes DIS right to 93. Bayou how much in credit did you get total for the IC?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/11/23 at 11:17 am to
quote:

And there goes DIS right to 93. Bayou how much in credit did you get total for the IC?

88 bucks total.
.22 per

I have until 5/19...

Closed ABNB for 1.00 each. Ouch.
Because of that, I'd really like DIS to be a real winner...
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 11:19 am
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4094 posts
Posted on 5/13/23 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Because of that, I'd really like DIS to be a real winner...


Your short puts don’t expire until 5/19, right? I know you’d rather not hold shares, so hopefully it’ll pop back to 93 by then. I’m not suggesting that you do this, but are you thinking about wheeling it if you get assigned?

Off the 5 call spread x 3 naked puts DIS jade lizard that I sold, I’m now a (not so) happy Mouse House shareholder at 95/share. Disney’s move after earnings was obviously outside the expected range. So in the aftermath, I sold (technically) naked 5/12 calls on Thursday, even before the assignment. And also sold some more (technically) naked calls yesterday afternoon for 5/19. With the price action and down volume late in the week, I didn’t see much of a probability that I wouldn’t get assigned at 95, so I made those naked call trades to pick up some extra credits.

With all that said, I’m content to hold DIS for a little while and continue selling calls against it. It being a “real” company, I don’t have major worries about it.

Wishing you good luck on your DIS puts.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1905 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:04 am to
[quote]How are your 0DTE trades going lately?[/quote

I haven't traded 0 DTE since March!

Low VIX ruins those opportunities. Adapting and pressing forward.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:41 am to
quote:

I know you’d rather not hold shares, so hopefully it’ll pop back to 93 by then. I’m not suggesting that you do this, but are you thinking about wheeling it if you get assigned?
Unfortunately I don't have the account size to hold or wheel. Fortunately, we could see 93+ again...

My HD spread seems to have worked out after earnings for now... I'm short the $270.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:42 am to
quote:

Low VIX ruins those opportunities. Adapting and pressing forward.

Please elaborate if you have the time.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 7:58 pm to
Of interest…
Long IC on FL?

Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18919 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 8:17 pm to
I just stumbled into iron flys.
Based on risk/reward, this seems to be the way…

Why is max loss so small and credit paid so large?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53468 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 11:15 pm to
JAG...

How you doing with AMZN?

My flips of selling calls and puts have been pretty damn good!
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4094 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 9:54 am to
I haven’t sold any options on AMZN since earnings. I just looked at it and saw that the IV is 32.48% and the IV percentile is 0% (very strong probability that IV is going to expand from here). Looks like it’s more a candidate for being net long premium, just because IV and IV percentile are making its options so “cheap”.

Other than during earnings season, I seldom trade options on individual equities these days. 90% + of my premium selling these days is on SPX. Every now and again I’ll pop off some individual equity options when there’s a special situation (like on TSLA this week). Musk had a jabber-jaw session scheduled and that increased its IV rather dramatically, so I sold some 5/19 low delta 150 strike puts. He didn’t say or do anything stupid (which is where the risk premium came from), so those puts have now collapsed in price - from my sale at .31 to .05 today.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4094 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Low VIX ruins those opportunities. Adapting and pressing forward.



quote:

Please elaborate if you have the time.


I’ll let Brobocop answer when he comes back. But essentially it’s the same situation we all face with selling premium; when IV is down, you get less premium for the same amount of risk. It’s why we sell options when IV gets elevated just before an earnings announcement and close (or let expire) our positions after the IV crush after earnings come out.

My mainstay continues to be 45+/- DTE SPX trades. But I’ve also been selling fairly large lots of 1DTE SPX options (usually synthetic strangles/very wide wing iron condors). The only reason that this has worked well for me is because the market has been tightly range bound lately. I’ve been challenged a few times trying to scalp 0DTE trades, so I’ve largely stopped playing with those. We haven’t had a 2 standard deviation move in quite awhile. My short strikes are typically protected up to a 1.5 standard deviation move. And my daily profit target on the buying power being used is 1-1.5%. I realize that at some point, IV is going to expand off this lowly 17.4% level (5% IV percentile says the Doberman is just waiting to catch the complacent cat/Jaguar ) and I’ll be scrambling to get out of the yard.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 11:04 am
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53468 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

I haven’t sold any options on AMZN since earnings. I just looked at it and saw that the IV is 32.48% and the IV percentile is 0% (very strong probability that IV is going to expand from here). Looks like it’s more a candidate for being net long premium, just because IV and IV percentile are making its options so “cheap”.




I'm in around 106. Got there from selling a put. From that point, I just sold calls.


quote:

. 90% + of my premium selling these days is on SPX.


Ok.. Check out SOXL and TQQQ. On SOXL, I don;t own it, but would. I selected a $14 strike put for entry. If not, I will make the premium and do it again. .93 to .15 right now.

But, I will own it.
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