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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:03 am to
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:03 am to
Don't bother with a cold wallet at this point. Just buy a few hundred bucks of Bitcoin on coinbase and start learning about it. Once you have read some books, then decide if you want to buy and hold more.

Its a volatile asset. If you would be sick watching it dump 50% tomorrow then its not a good thing for you to buy IMO.
Posted by 98eagle
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:23 am to
Disclaimer: I have a high tolerance for risk, so I am probably NOT a good advisor for newbies.

If I were you, I would put the $10K you have in cash in Bitcoin and purchase from your new Coinbase account. You could put it in the Coinbase Vault, which is in their offline cold wallets. Then if you want to your eventually move it to a Cold Wallet of your own once (and if) you feel confident with those. Once you buy actual Bitcoin, just hold it at least until you retire.

If you have $250K in a Roth and/or Traditional IRA, I would dedicate 10% of that to Bitcoin related investments. You could purchase and hold one of the ETFs such as FBTC or IBIT. I hold and trade BITO instead and reinvest the large dividends. BITO earns much less than the Spot ETFs based on stock price but it historically slightly out earns them if you reinvest the dividends.

If you are brave enough you could dabble in volatility trading. Maybe buy $20K of FBTC and just hold it very long term. Take $5K in cash and wait until you see Bitcoin pullback several thousand dollars or more. Then buy BITX (which is a 2X Bitcoin derivate that you buy and sell like a stock). Wait for Bitcoin to recover the several thousand dollars (that could be in hours, days, weeks, or months). Sell the BITX, recover your $5K trading cash, and put the gains (maybe 5% or more gain) into more FBTC. You will need ice in your veins, if you buy BITX and Bitcoin keeps falling.

Volatility trading is not for everyone. Many people can see one of their trades with significant unrealized losses and sell low, locking in losses. I have made a fortune volatility trading. I have done this trading between BITX and Cash almost continually for the past year, and have been accumulating Bitcoin and related investments since 2016. I make money volatility trading whether Bitcoin trends up, down or sideways, since Bitcoin reliabily has price swings regardless of the trend in price. I keep buying BITX into a "falling knife" as Bitcoin continues to fall more thousands of dollars and I reverse those trades as Bitcoin recovers. If Bitcoin has a massive pullback, like 50% or more, you can basically lose your entire investment in BITX, so any money you invest in BITX could be a complete loss.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:36 am to
Macro environment has me a little spooked, which is probably a good thing.

There is a lot of short-term holder capitulation going on right now which can signal a local bottom, but I’m not sure we don’t sweep 85-88k. I will be impressed if we hold 90k through January.
Posted by 98eagle
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:51 am to
Even if Bitcoin falls to $85K, I think it eventually rises way higher this year, so I have no concerns. Biden could gash the price short term if he instructs the DOJ to sell some or all of the current US stockpile of Bitcoin. But when you consider all of the upcoming cumulative demand shock from nations, states, pension funds and companies planning to create Bitcoin reserves, there's a high probability of parabolic moves upward in price.
Posted by chellelsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
153 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:01 pm to
Appreciate all the feedback. Linking my bank info now. Think I’m gonna incrementally get in. Buying $1000 today and keep buying over time to reach the 10k. Depending on how it goes, I could see myself adding more with the additional cash on hand. Again, I appreciate the help
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:06 pm to
Just understand what you are buying. If you are buying BTC because someone told you it is going up forever you are not going to do well in this space.

You have to actually understand what it is.

Read the Bitcoin Standard
Posted by chellelsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
153 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:09 pm to
Will do.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81712 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

Macro environment has me a little spooked, which is probably a good thing.

Same

Just won't make any meaningful moves as long as the DXY is rocketing like it is lately (IMO)
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20841 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Just won't make any meaningful moves as long as the DXY is rocketing like it is lately (IMO)

Would we rather have BTC @ $100K and DXY @ 100 than BTC @ $95K and DXY @ 110?

Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81712 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

Would we rather have BTC @ $100K and DXY @ 100 than BTC @ $95K and DXY @ 110?

No doubt 95k @ 110 DXY. A lot more runway to the upside if/when DXY starts correcting
Posted by 98eagle
Member since Sep 2020
2632 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:28 pm to
Trump isn't wasting any time on keeping his Bitcoin promises and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.

If the Bitcoin Act gets passed in the first 100 days, expect Bitcoin to take off regardless of a strengthening dollar. Imagine a majority of states and other countries and numerous companies following suit.

Bitcoin Act

Trump and his AI/Crypto Czar are already working with industry leaders with one of the primary objectives of creating the Bitcoin Strategic Reserve.

Trump and David Sacks Select Key Figures for Crypto Advisory Council

The Senate Banking Committee led by Tim Scott and soon to be Crypto Subcommittee leader Cynthia Lummis are already working on creating much needed positive crypto regulations and legislation.

Senate Takes Action to Regulate Cryptocurrencies

I think there are at least a few pro crypto Democrats that will jump on board. With crypto and Bitcoin adoption growing if they and any possible Republican defectors out there that want to get in the way, they stand a great chance of getting steam rolled in their next primaries or general elections because there will be many more crypto and Bitcoin investors in the US, plus the Crypto Industry Super PAC will spend even more than the $131M they spent electing more pro crypto Congressmen/Congresswomen.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 4:58 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81712 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:51 pm to
quote:

If the Bitcoin Act gets passed in the first 100 days, expect Bitcoin to take off regardless of a strengthening dollar.
Agreed. I also give it a 0.1% chance of happening as it currently stands. I could see Trump establishing a BTC reserve with the coins the US Gov't already holds. That in itself would be a nice little price pump, as it removes them as a potential seller. However, I don't think there is a chance in hell the US government spends money buying any amount of bitcoin. Very skeptical on that side of the Act
Posted by 98eagle
Member since Sep 2020
2632 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:29 pm to
Well, even if the US just creates a reserve with the current Bitcoin, many other nations, at least some states and probably lots of companies worldwide (maybe ones like Amazon, Microsoft, etc) are likely going to want lots of Bitcoin as it will finally have regulatory clarity as an approved asset class. The demand should go through the roof on top of still being in the normal 4 year bull run.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:39 pm to
I will always own bitcoin and have been involved for quite some time now but it does seem that the return going forward is less exciting than it once was. Even if we get to $1mil per BTC thats a 10x from here and no telling how long it will be til we get there. Hundreds of other stocks will 10x before BTC does from where we are right now. Not seeing the r/r it once had. Just something to think about for everyone.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
34340 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:46 pm to
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Even if we get to $1mil per BTC thats a 10x from here and no telling how long it will be til we get there
It was 3k six years ago. I think you’re sleeping on how fast this is happening. And if you’ve got a 10x play in the stock market let me know.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:50 pm to
haha, I don't have a guaranteed 10x play in the stock market. I just think that the r/r has dropped significantly. How long we talking til we get a 10x from here on BTC. I am a big fan of BTC and will continue to hold coins, but seriously non bias looking i think its another 4 years minimum til we get 1 mil BTC, probably more like a decade, and that might be an aggressive target.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 10:52 pm
Posted by thatguy777
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:56 pm to
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It was 3k six years ago


It was also 17k 7 years ago and 60k 3 years and 9 months ago
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 10:58 pm
Posted by 98eagle
Member since Sep 2020
2632 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:21 pm to
I do agree that Bitcoin won't have the astronomical gains like it did in the first half of its existence, but it's super difficult to pick the very best stocks or alt coins for each year's top gainers. Bitcoin is basically a guarantee to outperform 95% or more of all stocks and alt coins year over year. 2025 is going to be a special year for Bitcoin, in my opinion. It should easily top 2024's 135% gains.

In 10 days, no more Gary Gensler. The availability of Spot ETFs caused Bitcoin adoption to accelerate in 2024. I think we are just getting started with the current political transaction to pro Bitcoin instead of anti Bitcoin. I foresee a high probability that nations, states, pension funds and companies are all likely going to behave like a bunch of lemmings FOMOing in 2025 trying not to be left behind and scrambling to buy scarce Bitcoin. There's going to be a supply crunch sooner than later this year.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
34340 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:25 pm to
If you think it’s over then dump it.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2493 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:33 am to
Nowhere in any of those posts did I say I think it’s over. Did you read what I typed?
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