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re: More on how much is enough to retire......

Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:31 am to
Posted by MSTiger33
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Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:31 am to
Need $10M. shite ain’t cheap in the northeast
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 1:40 pm to
***BUMP***

I am curious to see if peoples answers changed based on inflation the past year.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 3:07 pm to
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I want my retirement to be fun and worry free, not being concerned about a small fixed budget. Shooting for minimums and averages won’t let you live like worry free and happy in retirement




I agree UNLESS getting to that point takes me until im 70 yrs old…. If that’s the case, id rather hang it up at 60 or 62, do the best i can with what ive got, and keep my fingers crossed that SS remains solvent and that some assinine politicians dont try to ‘privatize’ it like certain ones have been trying to do for decades .
Posted by BK Lounge
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:11 pm to
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Need $10M. shite ain’t cheap in the northeast





Which is exactly why ill never retire in the US… im looking at SE Asia, specifically Thailand or the Philippines.. your $$ goes about 10 x further in those places, even after accounting for airfare to come home once or twice a year….. retire early and enjoy life, unless you REALLY love whatever you do for a living .
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38420 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:24 pm to
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Which is exactly why ill never retire in the US… im looking at SE Asia, specifically Thailand or the Philippines.. your $$ goes about 10 x further in those places, even after accounting for airfare to come home once or twice a year….. retire early and enjoy life, unless you REALLY love whatever you do for a living


Come to Colombia and check it out. I "retired" at 33ish. Got bored and started another business that does not require me to be in the USA much.

Here, someone could retire and live a great life off $500,000. Strangely enough, all the young guys living here are ballers (online biz) and all the older guys are living off social security, pensions, etc.

Everyone is comfortable and happy.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:25 pm to
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As I posted in an earlier string, I’m not looking to live an extraordinarily luxurious life in retirement. I’d like to go to most LSU away games for football, maybe a couple of weekend series of LSU baseball per year, and play golf 3 to 5 times a week. I’d like to join a very non-exclusive, relatively inexpensive country club to play golf (e.g.. Beau Chene). Other than that, I’d like to go on 2 one week foreign vacations per year. I don’t need to stay at the Ritz, I’m fine with staying at clean, name brand hotels or motels.


I can assure you that what you describe is not a typical retirement in Louisiana. , back to work.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:33 pm to
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Come to Colombia and check it out. I "retired" at 33ish. Got bored and started another business that does not require me to be in the USA much. Here, someone could retire and live a great life off $500,000. Strangely enough, all the young guys living here are ballers (online biz) and all the older guys are living off social security, pensions, etc.




I have heard that the women in Colombia are some of the most beautiful on Earth.


I am somewhere in between the two groups of guys you mentioned .. im mid 40s, so not old enough to retire (though i could defintiely see doing a semi-“retirement” like yourself) but definitely not a young baller.. i am looking to make the leap out of the US in my late 40s, almost 50, so would def need a source of income to supplement my investments and passive income streams, until SS kicks in early 60s…. I am having a hard time figuring out how to make a living online; if you’re feeling charitable, let me know two or three ways you or guys you know make a living online that is independent of being in a particular time zone or whatever, thanks .




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This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted by SerenityNow
Chicago
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:05 pm to
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I am curious to see if peoples answers changed based on inflation the past year.


My answer from last year has changed due to inflation and due to that I think it would be a mistake to develop market return projections for the next few years based on the standard 7% average.

At this time last year, our magic number I was thinking we'd hit around 50 years old. Now, I'm thinking it's going to be 53 or 54. Due to 1.) Needing more of it to account for inflation 2.) When projecting how much we'll have in 10 years (I am currently 43), I was using a 6-7% return. I've started to run projections based on a more conservative 4-5% return instead.

I've stated this in another thread, but - our magic number is based on that I'm assuming if we retire in our early to mid 50's, we'll obviously need that money to last longer. And I'm taking into account that we may never see a dime from social security.

Basically - I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I always assumed we'd stay stateside, but the notion of becoming expats is growing more and more interesting as time passes.

As a few others have said, I want to be comfortable and worry free in retirement. And given all I've said above, if our choices manifest to having to move abroad to do that as opposed to continuing to work because money is worth less in the U.S. - we're going abroad.
Posted by Catchfalaya
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:13 pm to
If you don’t have kids that grow up to suck off your teet every month, and can stand on their own two legs then yes. If you have kids that are special and will need financial help then no keep working.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38420 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 5:14 pm to
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I have heard that the women in Colombia are some of the most beautiful on Earth.


I am somewhere in between the two groups of guys you mentioned .. im mid 40s, so not old enough to retire (though i could defintiely see doing a semi-“retirement” like yourself) but definitely not a young baller.. i am looking to make the leap out of the US in my late 40s, almost 50, so would def need a source of income to supplement my investments and passive income streams, until SS kicks in early 60s…. I am having a hard time figuring out how to make a living online; my career has been in medical /healthcare sales, remote- but requiring me to physically be in a geographic territory.. if you’re feeling charitable, let me know two or three ways you or guys you know make a living online that is independent of being in a particular time zone or whatever, thanks .



Be more specific about what you do. Regardless, if you are working for a company making $100,000 a year and you can provide the same value to them remotely, they would probably at the very least accomodate you at a lower pay.

Even $50,000 a year and living here is living the high life.


Myself, I am in government contracting now and have real estate investments.

I typically complete a few large projects per year that require me to fly home every few months but other than that, I am staying here.

And yes, the women...stories for the OT, not the money board.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:03 pm to
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Be more specific about what you do.





not to sell myself short, im good at what i do- but it’s not a situation where my company would let me work from another country, since i have to see customers weekly.. SO ill most likely start a business or work remotely for a company, where i dont have to be there in person, or necessarily in the same time zone.. just having a little trouble figuring out the nuts and bolts of what that would look like , and trying to get some ideas .




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Regardless, if you are working for a company making $100,000 a year and you can provide the same value to them remotely, they would probably at the very least accomodate you at a lower pay. Even $50,000 a year and living here is living the high life. Myself, I am in government contracting now and have real estate investments. I typically complete a few large projects per year that require me to fly home every few months but other than that, I am staying here.




TBH i dont need much, if i could just figure out a way to get $2,000 a month coming in (the key being *consistently*, without depleting my investments or savings) i could easily make it work in Thailand, or maybe even in a place like Colombia .



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And yes, the women...stories for the OT, not the money board.



I can only imagine





Couple more questions in re to Colombia- what areas would you recommend for an expat? I was thinking that Cartagena seemed nice, and tropical…. And how important is it to speak good Spanish ? I have next to no desire to learn another language.. Thanks
This post was edited on 1/1/24 at 10:31 pm
Posted by 22jctiger22
Member since Apr 2013
495 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:15 pm to
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If all goes to plan we'll FIRE between 53 and 55. Shooting for ~6M.


My wife and I have clearly done this wrong if that’s your financial position. What do you both do for a living?
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
2662 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:17 pm to
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10% RoR


You expect this?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38420 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:20 pm to
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and trying to get some ideas .


Best to just get any entry level remote job in tech.

You could take a bootcamp and in 8-12 weeks get a job making 40k-50k per year.

$2,000 a month is fine here but you will want more when you see how even a bump from $2,000 - $4,000 per month goes as far as quality.

The crux of it is this, if you want to live in cheap places (like me) then you have to know Spanish.

If you want to date high quality women, then you have to know spanish.

If you don't want to learn spanish and don't mind a little higher prices, and girls who just want your money, go to MDE or Cartagena.

I split time between Pereira and Barranquilla.
Posted by 22jctiger22
Member since Apr 2013
495 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:24 pm to
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quote: 10% RoR You expect this?


Anyone that expects this is ignorant of how market cycles work. Sure, some get very lucky and their time in the market works out for them. But long term down trends actually occur, and it won’t always work out for everyone.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
4964 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 6:30 pm to
Im not the most tech savvy guy.. im ok for a Gen Xer, i suppose.. but i excel at going out ‘into the field ‘ and building relationships.. which doesn’t exactly transfer well to being a Digital Nomad and making a living online.. not to say it cant be done, but im just going to have to figure out how to be a little creative and think a little more beyond the box to get it done.


As for the Spanish/foreign language thing- i hear you, but i think the problem is that- growing up in Louisiana- i was forced to take French starting in the first grade, and all the way thru high school and college w/electives, and im still a little burnt out lol.. Apparently in the expat/tourist areas of Thailand, you can get by great with English and a few Thai phrases.. and the Philippines is a majority English-speaking country.. those are major reasons why those countries appeal to me .. Good food for thought though, i appreciate it !
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:58 pm to
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As for the Spanish/foreign language thing


You can’t compare learning a language like Spanish when you are immersed in it daily living in a country where that is the native language to some high school or college language class. You can learn some useful language skills without really trying.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2926 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:57 pm to
A smart rule of thumb is 20x your salary in savings.

This is adjustable down if:
- you already are receiving a pension.
- home is paid off.
- medical is covered through another source.
- not still paying for kids college, supporting adults.
- no extensive travel plans
- ok living a simpler life
- not paying child support / alimony
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15788 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:32 am to
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Which is exactly why ill never retire in the US… im looking at SE Asia, specifically Thailand or the Philippines.. your $$ goes about 10 x further in those places,



Yeah but you gotta eat like spiders and roaches and shite right?
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2469 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:36 am to
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A smart rule of thumb is 20x your salary in savings.


I’m not a fan of a number based on x times your salary. I think this type of calculation is based on having zero dollars left over at the end of the year. And is this number based on gross or net?

The number I’m working with is 33x annual expenses as a minimum amount. 40x annual expenses is a safer number.
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