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Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:02 am
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6124 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:02 am
My mom and late dad have a revocable trust that owns mineral rights on some former property. A company, Blue Dome in Tulsa, wants to buy those rights. Apparently there's a new shale field about to be drilled or explored, whatever. What is a fair price for the rights? Or is it better to negotiate royalties? They owned approx 2 acres so not much. Any insight?
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6452 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Apparently there's a new shale field about to be drilled or explored


Where is this located?
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
389 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:07 am to
Where is the land?

I've always heard you never sell your mineral rights, no matter how little you own. Never know what value might be unlocked in the future.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6124 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:08 pm to
Caddo Parish in the Greenwood-Waskom Haynesville shale field.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted by FigerTan
Member since Jan 2016
67 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 1:23 pm to
Do they also own the surface rights? I ask because if they don't own the surface and there is no production for ten years from the date the minerals were reserved, the minerals will revert to the current surface owner.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12576 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 2:48 pm to
I'll buy them from you.. what are they offering?
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
389 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:33 pm to
Blue Dome is actively drilling that area. I'd turn it down and let it ride... especially at $9 gas. Maybe they'll drill your land next.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48908 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

Apparently there's a new shale field about to be drilled or explored, whatever.


Theres nothing new about it, been going on 15 years and its booming. They are very valuable, they're just looking for dumbasses that will sell them.

Do the math, maybe 8 wells per section 6-10 billion cubic feet per hole. Dont sell shite.

Theyve been concentrating on the core of the field for years, but theyve got this part moving NW figured out, its balls to the wall from I20 to Blanchard. The exploratory wells in the initial drilling in this area were not great but they just stepped out too far. Turning out monsters now.

I throw letters in the trash weekly, crooks. They take advantage of the poor, uneducated and old. There are legitimate mineral buyers but they arent sending out unsolicited letters. Best to sell to the unit operator in the event you are old snd want up front money.
This post was edited on 6/1/22 at 5:16 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Do the math, maybe 8 wells per section 6-10 billion cubic feet per hole. Dont sell shite.


I have 12 acres in the Haynesville shale with 3 wells that are only half in my unit. Last year they paid $67,000 in royalties, and a lot of that gas was sold at $2.75-3.00, today it’s over $8.00 I get a couple of letters a week from “lease hounds” wanting to buy my mineral rights.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48908 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:14 pm to
Nice, easy money, getting better every month
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6124 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:16 pm to
I talked to Blue Dome and they are holding a $14,000 check for my mom. I don't know how long they've been drilling.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3898 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 7:47 pm to
DO NOT SELL MINERAL RIGHTS!

I've shared my experience on here before, but about 10 years ago I had several companies approach me about leasing my mineral rights for a 3 acre lot. I was unfamiliar with how it worked and hesitant, but eventually signed with one of the companies. My lot is in a small town south of San Antonio and has a small office building on it that is leased by the food stamp agency. I was given a signing bonus of about $13,500 and didn't hear back from the oil company for about 2 years. After 2 years, I started receiving royalty payments. They started off pretty large at first and then dropped over time. The first monthly payment was $6,700, the second about $4,000, third about $3,700, etc. After about 3 years the payments had dropped to about $400 a month and after five years down to about $200 a month. I have received offers to buy the rights every few years that have all been about $18,000. When the payments were down to $200 a month, I thought about it but held on.

Fast forward to a year and a half ago, I get my monthly deposit on December 30th and it is for $144,000. Turns out there were 7 additional wells that had about 5 to 7 years of income that they just assigned to my 3 acres. Nice little bonus that I had to scramble to invest to minimize taxes. Again this year I received a call from another oil company that stated they had a well that had been assigned to my property. In addition to the $1,400 a month my previous lease is now paying, this new well is now paying another $2,000 a month.

I haven't bothered to do the 10 years worth of math, but it all dwarfs the $18,000 I have been offered to sell.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
878 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 9:48 pm to
If your parents own the mineral rights, do you know whether they signed a contract with a land man representing Blue Dome or any other company? If they did, that contract will stipulate what the upfront lease money was and it will show what percentage royalty interest they agreed to, I’m not sure about now but 15 years ago when the Haynesville was just busting out, it was common to get several thousand per acre in lease agreement funds and 20 -25 percent royalties per acre.

If they never signed a lease contract, then they would probably be considered Working Interest Owners (WOI) in which case the drilling could begin without a lease agreement and your parents and any other land owners in the designated well section are considered co-owners in the well and they own full royalties on their unsigned land but they have to wait till the well is drilled, worked over, connected and starts producing before they even start getting reports of the wells potential.

Then they have to wait till the well has reached what the drilling company called “payout”, the point where the well has produced enough gas to fully pay the accumulated cost of the well, usually in the 10’s of millions. Once the well is paid out, they are supposed to report to unleashed (WOI) owners and set up method to start paying for their minerals.

This can take 2,3, 5, 10 years or longer but when they are paid, they get full amount per acre instead of 20 or 25%. A lot depends on the company that owns the lease and is producing it, I’ve always had to deal with Chesapeake and they’re hard to deal with and most comparisons over the years shows that they pay roughly 1/3 to 1/2 as much for gas at delivery than other companies in the Haynesville.

I’d be questioning them (Blue Dome) as to what the $14,000 check amount they said they are holding for your mom is for, sounds like upfront money, which if it is, they should be able to produce a copy of a signed lease agreement that your parents signed. If there is a lease then y’all are an active part in any and all wells drilled in your section so I would hold and and not sell to lease buyers, they know the pay out is a to come and are trying to fool y’all and others into selling your interest whic h will most likely be pennys on the dollar compared to what you’ll have coming.
These guys aren’t idiots and they’re really not even speculators, they have landmen and agents that are working the leases and monitoring how wells are progressing and they’re getting positive vibes from their research that the wells will be productive, thus let’s run out here and try to buy these folks rights up before they start getting checks and it’ll be their lose and our gain!
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:01 pm to
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The first monthly payment was $6,700, the second about $4,000, third about $3,700, etc. After about 3 years the payments had dropped to about $400 a month and after five years down to about $200 a month. I have received offers to buy the rights every few years that have all been about $18,000. When the payments were down to $200 a month, I thought about it but held on.


This decline in production is typical for. a Shale gas well. The good news is that with the current high price of natural gas it is possible they could re-frack the we’ll returning it to a much higher level of production.
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