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Line of credit or Signature Loan

Posted on 2/10/10 at 4:27 pm
Posted by LSUCrawdaddy
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 4:27 pm
Looking into getting either a line of credit or signature loan.

Reason: To pay off credit card debt on cards that are now upwards of 20% one even pushes 29.9%. Wife and I have a little over $10k in credit card debt.

We own have a house note ($974/month) and two car notes ($700/month). Her transmission went out last year on her Honda that had over 200k miles. My truck note will be paid off this summer so we thought we could swing it at the time since we had some savings.

Savings are gone (due to medical bills and high deductable ins).
Posted by FriscoKid
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:01 pm to
What kind of interest rate are you seeing? I have been thinking of doing the same thing.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:05 pm to
If you have any equity in your home, have you considered a home equity line of credit? (Maybe that is what you are referring to.) Most interest paid on a home equity loan is a deductible expense for income tax purposes so you get a slight benefit there over interest on a signature loan.
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:07 pm to
If you are talking about a line of credit against your home equity, I generally think it's a bad idea to convert unsecured debt to secured debt except under rare, extreme circumstances.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

I generally think it's a bad idea to convert unsecured debt to secured debt except under rare, extreme circumstances.
Why?
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:17 pm to
Why would anyone want to convert unsecured debt? First, most people don;t have the discipline to not run up the credit cards again and second which do you think is the better of two bad situations - defaulting on a credit card or defaulting on a HELOC?

I would work with the credit card providers as much as possible before tapping into home equity (which could go down).
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

extreme circumstances.


Like 30% interest rates?
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37584 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:24 pm to
quote:


I generally think it's a bad idea to convert unsecured debt to secured debt except under rare, extreme circumstances.


Why?


Because most people turn around and run up the credit cards again.
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:25 pm to
quote:

Like 30% interest rates?

My first question is has there been an attempt to reduce that rate with the creditor. If you are at risk of default, d you think the bank will pick default ($0) or get what they can?
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:26 pm to
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Because most people turn around and run up the credit cards again.


I didn't take that into account.
Posted by LSUCrawdaddy
Member since Jul 2009
82 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

What kind of interest rate are you seeing? I have been thinking of doing the same thing.


I'm seeing sig loans at 8.99% at credit unions. I have a cc that we used to pay for $5k of our wedding back in '07, had a 0% rate. When gustav came we went to gulf shores for a week and missed one payment which made caused the rate to sky rocket to 35%. I've gotten down to 29.9% now.

I've been in my home for a little over a year but have made major improvments so I may have some equity but do not want to go the way of HELOC.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

Why would anyone want to convert unsecured debt?

1) To reduce the interest rate on the balance owed from 20%+ to less than 10%.

2) The interest is deductible for income tax purposes. He could use the additional tax refund to apply to the home equity loan, if he has the discipline to do so.

3) The additional interest which is not being paid could be applied to principal which would pay off the balance much faster than under the credit card repayment schedule, thereby saving hundreds, or perhaps even thousands of interest expense.

quote:

First, most people don;t have the discipline to not run up the credit cards again
The original poster would obviously have to guard against doing that. Since he had the good sense to seek the Money Board's advice, I can only assume he does not fall into the category of "most people."

quote:

second which do you think is the better of two bad situations - defaulting on a credit card or defaulting on a HELOC?


If he is able to pay the CC balance, he will more than able to make the HELOC payments. Thus, there will be less chance of default under the HELOC than under the CC loan.

Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:33 pm to
Let me guess, you work for a bank.
Posted by LSUCrawdaddy
Member since Jul 2009
82 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:34 pm to
BTW: CC's have been destroyed. I had two bank cards and two gas cards, wife had 3 bank cards and a old navy.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

Let me guess, you work for a bank.
Wrong. Guess again.

Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:36 pm to
Well, that shitty sales pitch had banker written all over it.
Posted by LSUCrawdaddy
Member since Jul 2009
82 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:37 pm to
I hadn't thopught about the tax breaks on the HELOC, but like I said we have lived in the home for a little over a year so how much equity could we have?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

Well, that shitty sales pitch had banker written all over it.

And your "sales pitch" had ignorance written all over it.....
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:40 pm to
And you can go suck a cock.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133557 posts
Posted on 2/10/10 at 5:41 pm to
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I said we have lived in the home for a little over a year so how much equity could we have?
That depends mostly on how much of a down payment did you make when you got the loan. If you had a minimum down payment (meaning how much equity you put into the house yourself vs. how much you borrowed) you probably don't have enough equity to cover the CC balances you mentioned.
However, if you had sold a prior house prior to buying this house and you put the equity you got out of that sale into this house, you might have a chance of having enough equity to cover the big card balances.
You probably can't count on price appreciation over the past year to give you substantial equity after only one year. Not in the housing market we've seen lately. Of course, your specific area might be an exception.

Good luck!
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