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Life Insurance Retirement Policy (LIRP) Opinions

Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:50 pm
Posted by OleVaught14
Member since Jun 2019
10392 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 7:50 pm
Curious about the boards thoughts on LIRPs.

Wife and I already max out our work retirement options and make too much for a Roth IRA, so started looking into other tax-free retirement options.

I've always been hesitant to consider any form of Life Insurance "investments" but from what I can find online this seems like an interesting option - assuming you qualify for the life insurance.

Thought? Comments? Concerns?
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 8:01 pm to
Buy term and take difference in price and invest it via backdoor (or mega, if you have access) Roth IRA, if possible.

I was taught long ago to not consider life insurance "investments". I have learned to not trust life insurance sales (loads, commissions, and interests don't align with my best interests).
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2920 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:46 pm to
Do you have traditional IRAs which would trigger pro rata? If not, just do backdoor Roth IRAs.

Taxable brokerage accounts can actually be pretty favorable tax wise. Sure you pay tax on the income now. But you dont pay additional tax on the basis and long term capital gains rates can be as low as zero. If you hold and wait until low income early years of retirement you may fall in the zero LTCG bracket and pay little or no tax on even large withdrawals that are a mix of basis and long term gains. Plus, you have flexibility to use it as you like anytime penalty free. You can even borrow against while still in high earning years and wait to sell until low taxable income years. Perhaps best of all your beneficiaries get a stepped up basis upon your death and pay no capital gains on all the growth.

This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:54 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49230 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:05 pm to
Life insurance is life insurance.

Investments are investments.



The two NEVER belong together. Never merge the two because if you do, the insurance company makes more than you. Always remember that.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58529 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:48 am to
Can y’all post a trigger warning when y’all use the r word? Millenials may be reading this and we’re never gonna be able to r*tire
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 1:07 pm to
People try too hard looking for tax deferred opportunities.

You are better off looking for low cost opportunities.

I'd buy municipal bonds before I buy life insurance as an investment piece of my portfolio (I don't own municipal bonds).

The market is flat. I really think you would be better served to look for value and go from there. The market will most likely outperform the taxable downside versus the alternatives (assuming you have exhausted every available Ira option)
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