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re: Large Inheritance at the age of 62, WWYD??

Posted on 4/1/15 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 1:34 pm to
She has a 401K but nothing near the lump sum she will be inheriting and of course she will receive SS.

At this point I'm trying to provide her vehicles of income which could add to the SS she will be receiving. Most of my knowledge is in stocks, ETF's and options and not so much in bonds but I know the rates are awful.

So let's say I go 50/50 stocks and bonds/CD's. What type of stocks would you suggest? I'm staying away from large cap oil and gas for the moment.

Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:08 pm to
Put it in a short duration bond fund and use the cash flow to fund her retirement accounts for the next few years.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:15 pm to
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TheHiddenFlask


What's the typical yield?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 2:35 pm to
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How do you pick these? Do you have a screen?


I would start at looking at dividata.com - the ones rated 4 and 5 in their "Top Stocks" is a good place to start. I think all "~6%" stocks would be a little risky, so every one of those - balance with K or INTC, and you can get to 5ish - maybe 5 1/8 - which is pretty good in today's environment - again - we're talking about 4 years - anything can happen.

You probably know more about ETFs than I do - aren't some of those paying dividends with reinvestment now? Certainly there is a low-risk one of those in the 4 1/2 to 5 percent range - that would be an annualized yield of almost 6 percent over 4 years. Yeah, the equity can take a hit, but equities are still the way to be bonds, CDs, savings accounts - about the only thing in the same league is real estate - but I'm not sure 4 years is the right window for that either (except she can roll that into long-term income - especially if leveraged properly - but like I said before, owning investment real estate is like a part-time job that you pay to get into - can be very lucrative, but not everyone likes to manage their investment hands on like that.)

Another thing to consider, perhaps, is an annuity - at least for part of it - can anchor the risk (and the yield, unfortunately) of an equity based approach.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:30 pm to
This woman should not be plowing this into equities. I know none of us have all the details, but anyone suggesting equities at her ag and level of income/wealth is just wrong.

High yield short duration funds are yielding 5-7%. Investment grades are yielding 2.5-3%. I would suggest a mix of the two.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 3:58 pm to
What would I do?

I would invest 100K in PFF.

I would invest 100K in VTI.

and 100K in VNQ.

Charity would get 40K.
60K for fun trips, etc.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 5:26 pm to
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makersmark1


PFF with a 6.5% dividend is impressive and the ETF does not seem to move. Could be a winner
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 4/1/15 at 6:16 pm to
UGAZ/DGAZ


Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33939 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 10:37 pm to
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My question to the MT board is how should she invest this money?? Bond and CD rates are complete shite right now. Should she focus on dividends??


Half equity, the other half in cash, fixed income, and alternative assets. With the equity half, make sure the portfolio is based on an array of slow growth mutuals and then buy a few higher performing ETFs like SPY and IJH to give it some money making capacity.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
33939 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 10:42 pm to
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Most of my knowledge is in stocks, ETF's and options and not so much in bonds but I know the rates are awful.


Interest rates are near zero, but there could be benefits to putting money under the mattress even at negative bond yields. This is especially true in a deflationary environment (which is coming) because your money will buy more when you take it out than when you put it in.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 4/1/15 at 11:25 pm to
I am about 5 years from her age. I suggest:

$30k auto to last 10 years

4-5k for vacation. Maybe treat the kids

50/50% on Wellington and Wellesley Admiral shares
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 5:19 am to
Anyone suggesting a REIT is also crazy and probably doesn't come close to understanding the risk of a REIT.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4964 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 5:50 am to
quote:

she is thinking about buying a new car.


While a new car would be nice, look into a late model, low mileage vehicle.

One usually takes a huge hit in depreciation on a new vehicle in the first year.
There are exceptions though but that is the general rule.

A new car will run $35-40K, whereas a good late model with low mileage will run $15-20K.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:23 am to
quote:

TheHiddenFlask


I wouldn't go that far but I also would not invest my money in one as of today.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 6:45 am to
My comment was with respect to the situation presented in the OP, not in general.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:10 am to
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PFF with a 6.5% dividend is impressive and the ETF does not seem to move. Could be a winner



PFF was down 23% in 08
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:22 am to
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This woman should not be plowing this into equities.


I agree with this. This is a windfall and she doesn't 'need' a return on this money. Even the best stocks/funds/ETFs can lose 25-40% in a given year.

I just don't see a reason for taking that sort of risk at her age and with no knowledge about investing. Even putting her in something like a target date fund would be risky if she didn't understand it, and she won't.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:28 am to
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I would start at looking at dividata.com


I'll check it out, thanks.
quote:

Certainly there is a low-risk one of those in the 4 1/2 to 5 percent range

I'm an 'efficient market' guy and believe if they're yielding that much, there's a reason for it. I don't think picking up another 2-3% (double yield of blue chips) is worth the additional risk which I think higher yielding stocks would have. I'm not saying this is fact, just my opinion.
Posted by jlu03
San Diego
Member since Jul 2012
3320 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 8:44 am to
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PFF was down 23% in 08


I saw this yesterday when I checked it out but it also recovered quickly and was still paying out a hefty dividend.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9188 posts
Posted on 4/2/15 at 11:29 am to
quote:

My comment was with respect to the situation presented in the OP, not in general.


+1, asking a total newb to put newly found money into a very volatile sector type equity investment that has minimal yield these days does not seem brilliant. Show her some price charts during OCT-DEC 2008 of VNQ and ask her is that is what she is seeking.
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