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re: Just put in my first application on a Mortgage

Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:21 am to
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:21 am to
You've already been told some pretty accurate things. With your credit score where it is (biggest factor here, not your money down) and only 5% down, 5.25% is not terrible. It's also probably not the best you can do. I would also advise shopping around. And try to get away from big banks. Look local, look at brokers, etc. Don't let all of them do hard pulls on your credit. Talk to a lender, tell them your situation and have them give you a realistic idea of what you're looking at before authorizing any additional credit checks. Also, if there is any chance you can get your down payment up to 10%, ask about conventional 80/10/10 loan options. If you go FHA, you will NEVER be able to drop your PMI, even when you cross the 80/20 LTV ratio.

I would suggest checking with these folks: Triumph Home Loans

I shopped them recently and they beat the lender I used on my last purchase pretty handily with fewer fees. My FICO is higher than yours and I have a longer history, but I think you can do better than what you were quoted. You need to weigh out paying 5% down now and taking a 4.875-5.25% rate versus trying to accumulate a larger down payment and risking rates being in the 7s or 8s later on. It's a gamble. Keep in mind, people were talking about rates increasing for years before they ever actually did (a relative of mine got a 3.75% in 2013 and I did the same in 2016 while constantly hearing ads about how the rates were about to skyrocket), but since the ball has already started rolling, it's certainly plausible that things will trend upward faster.

Good luck.
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
4094 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:25 am to
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Don't let all of them do hard pulls on your credit.


i believe multiple pulls of your credit in a short period of time (don't remember the length off the top of my head) just shows as a single pull for score purposes. you are not penalized for shopping around as long as you don't drag it out too long.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:31 am to
quote:

i believe multiple pulls of your credit in a short period of time (don't remember the length off the top of my head) just shows as a single pull for score purposes. you are not penalized for shopping around as long as you don't drag it out too long.


That has always been said, but I can tell you it's pretty "iffy". Car dealers tell you the same, but I have seen multiple hits in a 2-3 day period all ding a score individually. I don't trust that system to do as they tell you. That's just me, though.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1584 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:28 am to
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If you go FHA, you will NEVER be able to drop your PMI, even when you cross the 80/20 LTV ratio.


Wrong FHA PMI drops off after 11 years if you put 10% or more down for all loans made after 2013.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:44 am to
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Wrong FHA PMI drops off after 11 years if you put 10% or more down for all loans made after 2013.


Interesting. Hadn't seen that. Won't apply to me, though, as I didn't put 10% down. And seemingly won't apply to the OP, either.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1276 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:55 am to
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nteresting. Hadn't seen that. Won't apply to me, though, as I didn't put 10% down. And seemingly won't apply to the OP, either.


Correct. But I don’t plan staying in my first home longer than say 4-6 years anyway.
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
13048 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 12:46 pm to
Shop around!

Being below 700 affects the rate, but that depends on lender...so SHOP. Also, being that you make below 70k, I'd look at a Rural development loan.

Unless you plan on putting a huge chunk down (20k-30k), keep your 3.5%-5%. Looking at purchasing 120k home, that 5% is going to make a difference of $30-$50 per month. Keep the money and just make extra payment per year.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Correct. But I don’t plan staying in my first home longer than say 4-6 years anyway.


I would say you still should plan it as though you will. That doesn't necessarily mean put more down. But make sure the loan product benefits you long-term, too. Many people who bought in 2006 and 2007 didn't expect to be in their homes beyond a certain number of years, either. And then the bottom fell out and they couldn't sell for what they owed. You're buying at a time when home values are higher than years past. If the market hits another bubble, you could be staying longer than expected.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 1:49 pm to
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Wrong FHA PMI drops off after 11 years if you put 10% or more down for all loans made after 2013.
I'm not sure this is still true. When I was researching my original approval for FHA before we switched to conventional, I found some information that noted Trump administration has changed some of the opportunities to drop PMI on FHA that the Obama administration had allowed. I'm not sure if it was a just proposed or enacted or whether it's applicable to what you described above, but they were at least considering it.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1584 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:17 pm to
Definitely still true. Obama was going to lower the FHA insurance rate as he was leaving office, but Trump and his administration nixed it and kept it at its current level. That has been the only real legislation enacted off of it. Nothing to do with it dropping off after 11 years on 10% down or more.

Also OP if you are serious of only owning the home 4-6 years you may want to heavily consider 10/1 ARM if the lender you are working with has a good 10/1 arm product and rate. If you end up going conventional instead of FHA that would be a good way to knock off ~.5% or more in rate. Yes ARM loans are more risky due to the adjustable rate after your fixed period is ended, but that doesn't matter if you not going to have that loan at the time of adjustment. Having a 10/1 ARM would would give you the fixed for twice as long as you are planning to live there anyway.
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12829 posts
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:40 pm to
I put 22.5% down on a $520k home two years ago (when rates were much lower) and got a 3.75 rate.

Given the down payment, your credit and the current mortgage environment, 5.25 sounds pretty reasonable.
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