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Posted on 11/6/26 at 7:45 am to beaverfever
Dem voters hate you if you have 401k. They want them destroyed. The Dems will be happy to do that.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 7:45 am to Presidente
quote:Was very odd. Seems like more market manipulation.
The market being up so big yesterday made no sense whatsoever.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 7:52 am to FLObserver
Voters approved 43 of 44 local ballot measures restricting data centers on November 4, 2026
Posted on 11/6/26 at 9:51 am to Presidente
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Voters approved 43 of 44 local ballot measures restricting data centers on November 4, 2026
That will happen when the locals are saying we don’t want these here but the local governments say frick you, we’re doing it anyway.
Data centers will continue to be built, but regulations are going to be out in place around things like - those data companies need to pay for the large amounts of water, energy, etc it takes to run them and not have that be offset with higher utilities for locals. They need to be quiet and not make so much noise it disrupts the lives of those around them. They need to know that the return will be worth it. Once these things are built, they will sustain very few jobs.
It’s the Wild West right now with zero protections for local citizens and people are fed up and said no. Those currently in office have done virtually nothing to stop and say…how can we do this responsibly so the local communities will get a return?
This post was edited on 11/6/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/6/26 at 10:15 am to CharlieTiger
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Data centers will continue to be built, but regulations are going to be out in place around things like - those data companies need to pay for the large amounts of water, energy, etc it takes to run them and not have that be offset with higher utilities for locals
Multiple studies have come out recently showing that this hasn't actually really been the case. That's not to say that in localized situations its never happened, but on the macro level, data centers have not caused any significant impact on utility bills (4-5% increase is the max I was able to find in some areas) and in many other areas, they actually helped reduce utility bills. People's perception of what is happening isn't always reality in these scenarios.
This post was edited on 11/6/26 at 10:16 am
Posted on 11/6/26 at 10:44 am to GoCrazyAuburn
And there are studies that show they have. A lot of it depends on where it’s built, the size, were the companies given incentives for lower utility bills, etc.
The point still remains that many areas where people are either saying no or at the very least..show us how this won’t negatively affect us…are being railroaded by local politicians and the people finally said enough is enough.
This isn’t the death knell of these being built, but it’s definitely a slowdown to hopefully a more responsible, collaborative approach.
The point still remains that many areas where people are either saying no or at the very least..show us how this won’t negatively affect us…are being railroaded by local politicians and the people finally said enough is enough.
This isn’t the death knell of these being built, but it’s definitely a slowdown to hopefully a more responsible, collaborative approach.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 11:02 am to CharlieTiger
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And there are studies that show they have. A lot of it depends on where it’s built, the size, were the companies given incentives for lower utility bills, etc.
Someone is broadly right and someone is broadly wrong. We know in the end data centers will be built and they’ll look like they do now. Democrat leaders will stop using them as political leverage and their followers will be told where to find the next existential threat.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 12:04 pm to CharlieTiger
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And there are studies that show they have
Great, I literally said some showed increases in specific areas. The rate and if it is a temporary spike or long term matters as well.
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were the companies given incentives for lower utility bills
Fairly common practice. Why is this an issue with data centers and not when a city or town builds a new manufacturing plant?
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The point still remains that many areas where people are either saying no or at the very least..show us how this won’t negatively affect us
So, why are you casting aside the data that shows this? As I said in my other post, perception isn't always reality. You are arguing about how people feel, and yes that obviously is why they voted the way they did. However, reality has shown that moreso their feelings have been based on fearmongering, not what has actually happened. There are far more factors that have caused the rate increases in areas that aren't related to the data centers.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 12:17 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Bottom line, local governments have to negotiate a good deal. Some places the locals get burned because of bad deals while others come out smelling like a rose.
It's probably not best to have the county executive in Dumptruck county negotiating with the big tech lawyers.
It's probably not best to have the county executive in Dumptruck county negotiating with the big tech lawyers.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 12:22 pm to BCvol
Don’t disagree there.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 12:35 pm to FLObserver
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I do think the Dems will not be as friendly to A.I. companies as Rep were that includes Trump
Once they settle up to the trough with their hands out (under the table) data centers will be the greatest things since solar and windmills.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 2:12 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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So, why are you casting aside the data that shows this? As I said in my other post, perception isn't always reality. You are arguing about how people feel, and yes that obviously is why they voted the way they did.
Because it’s up to the local municipality to put the business case together and that clearly isn’t happening enough. That’s how you make people feel good about it. People will vote on emotion. It’s human nature.
I’m not arguing against the idea that some of the data center negatives are likely overblown, but it’s going to be a case by case basis across the country and those local governments are obviously not doing a good job of showing how these will/wont benefit the people there. If they were, those numbers would be different.
Posted on 11/6/26 at 2:21 pm to CharlieTiger
Got it, we disregard the data if it isn't compiled by the right people.
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