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Is stock options worth the risk with free cash?

Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:47 am
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22751 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:47 am
My company allows for stock options (ticker MD), I max out 401k make to much for a Roth. They sell me the stock at a 15% discount of up to 25k. If I bought 25k for before end of year.....and then sold it next year to get my free cash back it equates to about 1500 profit. I could also hold it as it has performed well in the past.

I'm worried about capital gains though and its effects on the my obligations to IRS. Is this a fiscally responsible thing to do with free cash?
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 11:49 am
Posted by iluvredboxx
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2012
899 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:24 pm to
You have an automatic 15% return, whatever money you have that you want to invest after 401 and IRA, I would take advantage of this. Not many places you can get an automatic 15% return regardless of tax implications. My 2 cents.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2788 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:39 pm to
15% instant profit. You say it is doing well and if it continues to do well you can hold for a long term capital gain. Two other thoughts. If you continue to work for this company don't let the stock become a large percentage of your holdings. And, if you get worried it may go lose value down the road you can buy puts for protection (although there isn't a market for puts on all stocks).
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:21 pm to
every comnpany i have worked for has offered this. I have tried to game it every time and for whatever reason, it never works.

use it if you are a long believer in the company but don't buy into it as you think this is free money.

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4082 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:21 pm to
I think that you mean an ESOP, not options.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22751 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:37 pm to
yes that's what I meant...I see they aren't the same thing.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 6:40 pm
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 12:07 pm to
What is the vesting schedule? The people who are saying that this is "15% instant profit" are wrong, because you can't just sell the stock immediately at market price. You usually don't get full ownership of shares until a later date. In that time, share prices could drop (or rise, of course). But either way, it's not "instant profit"

It can pay off, but you have to be careful, and you should limit how much of your income you risk on this. That 15% is not guaranteed--you're still taking a risk.
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15% instant profit. You say it is doing well and if it continues to do well you can hold for a long term capital gain. Two other thoughts. If you continue to work for this company don't let the stock become a large percentage of your holdings. And, if you get worried it may go lose value down the road you can buy puts for protection (although there isn't a market for puts on all stocks).
Not instant profit... and what are the rules about buying puts on ESOP shares? I work in healthcare so I've never had access to an ESOP. I kind of doubt that you can buy puts in a plan like this until you have full ownership of the shares...
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4579 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:14 pm to
Hog is correct, if it's an esop you're more than likely not going to be able to sell immediately.

If it is stock options then you can.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22751 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:57 pm to
6 month hold...before you can sell. its 1 year low is 59
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