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re: Is it time to short Bitcoin ?

Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:31 pm to
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:31 pm to
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Uh yeah, that's the point, I dont want to sit in USD, that's a good way to slowly lose your purchasing power. Sounds like the person in your scenario acheives exactly what they were trying to do, sit in BTC rather than USD because it will outperform it


Anyone wanting to invest doesn’t invest in the USD. lol.

Bitcoin is a trade based on fomo. It’s the greater fool theory playing out before our eyes.

Would I short it? Nah.
Would I invest? Nah.
Trade? Sure. And I have. But it’s a trade and nothing more.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7589 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:51 pm to
Your main argument is you have to change it back to usd, but that's the same with any investment into any asset. Then your response when I point that out is of course no one invests in dollars.

You just argue in circles. This is pointless. I yield the remainder of my time.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38302 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:23 pm to
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It’s the greater fool theory playing out before our eyes.


You can make this argument about ANY investment. It's WEAK.

At what point will you accept that Bitcoin is here to stay? Like what has to happen in your mind from it to go from a "fomo trade" to a serious place to park fiat?



Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81679 posts
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:49 pm to
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You just argue in circles
First time in a thread with Slidell? This is all he does
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:48 am to
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You can make this argument about ANY investment. It's WEAK. At what point will you accept that Bitcoin is here to stay? Like what has to happen in your mind from it to go from a "fomo trade" to a serious place to park fiat?


It’s not an investment. It’s a trade. At least for me.

But lets just say its an investment for you.
What is the investment based on? Why do you want to own it?

For me, I don’t use it. Mostly because there is zero use for it. I suspect you don’t have any use either but I could be wrong. What is your use?

I have bought it as a trade based purely on fomo. I bought it because it was going up. I suspect you’re the same but maybe not. If not, tell us why you want to own it.



Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20712 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:26 am to
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It’s not an investment. It’s a trade. At least for me.


This doesn't mean anything.

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hat is the investment based on? Why do you want to own it?

Store of value and capital appreciation.

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For me, I don’t use it. Mostly because there is zero use for it. I suspect you don’t have any use either but I could be wrong. What is your use?

What is your use for a 5 oz gold bar?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 1:37 pm to
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1.This doesn't mean anything.

2. Store of value and capital appreciation.

3. What is your use for a 5 oz gold bar?


1. It certainly does have meaning. You also ignored the rest of my comment where I mentioned that it was not an investment for me. It was a trade for me. I specifically made that distinction because to me, investments have to have instrinsic value. I need to have use for it. There is zero use for bitcoin to me. I suspect you have zero use for it either but we’d all love to hear what it is if you do. I went through the dotcom boom/bust and know first hand what a day of reckoning can bring when you own something that has zero intrinsic value.

2. Store of value. Can you define that? Is it like a saving account store of value?

3. 5 oz gold bar. Not sure why you mention a 5oz gold bar but for sake of discussion, a 5 oz gold bar certainly has value and use. I don’t own any bars now but I have in the past. As a matter of fact, after Katrina, when I had no cash but a need for some repairs, I paid some construction guys with gold bars that I had. For that matter, I also traded a jeep wrangler for some roof work. Even more for that matter, I gifted a decent amount of AT&T stock to a school as a donation. Not sure i could do that with bitcoin but if it were possible then it applies some value beyond what the market applies since there could be tax deductibility. Again, I really don’t know that.

By your comments, I detect some degree of youth and / or inexperience in investing. Your response to my comment about bitcoin not being an investment is especially telling. Whether or not you are experienced, I’d just ask you to be open minded to the prospect that bitcoin could be another example of greater fool theory . It’s value could be nothing more than financial fomo. Please be open to that possibility. If you are experienced in finance or investing, that should be easy for you to realize.

It’s fun to see it appreciate in value but try not to be blinded by the light. You seem to be particularly optimistic about bitcoin. There’s some inexperienced but curious posters here and it’s simply unfair to lead them down a primrose path. If you’re experienced, I’d hope you aren’t trying to do that
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 8:36 am
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1988 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 2:50 pm to
I'm pretty sure I could find a guy to do roof work and pay him with bitcoin.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 4:07 pm to
Probably but it’d be a pretty stupid decision on roofers part.
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1988 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 6:30 pm to
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Probably...

Then you agree that 1 bitcoin would "probably" pay for about 10x the amount of roof work it would have 5 years ago.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 6:31 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 7:11 pm to
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Then you agree that 1 bitcoin would "probably" pay for about 10x the amount of roof work it would have 5 years ago.


Roughly

Question- as a business owner, would you accept bitcoin for payment?
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1988 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 7:19 pm to
Yes
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 7:24 pm to
lol

Good luck with your business but I hope you dont ever get put in position to have others rely on you for a paycheck

Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1988 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 7:40 pm to
Thanks, and I hope no one ever puts themself in a postition according to your financial advise.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
3566 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 8:15 pm to
I still buy it every day like I have for eight years and don’t plan on stopping
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20712 posts
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:42 pm to
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1. It certainly does have meaning. You also ignored the rest of my comment where I mentioned that it was not an investment for me. It was a trade for me. I specifically made that distinction because to me, investments have to have instrinsic value. I need to have use for it. There is zero use for bitcoin to me. I suspect you have zero use for it either but we’d all love to hear what it is if you do. I went through the dotcom boom/bust and know first hand what a day of reckoning can bring when you own something that has zero intrinsic value.

It doesn't mean anything because you're making a distinction without a difference. Every investment is quite literally a trade. You are trading something of value for another thing you hope appreciates in value more greatly than what you're trading.

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2. Store of value. Can you define that? Is it like a saving account store of value?

I hope this isn't a serious question.

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3. 5 oz gold bar. Not sure why you mention a 5oz gold bar but for sake of discussion, a 5 oz gold bar certainly has value and use. I don’t own any bars now but I have in the past. As a matter of fact, after Katrina, when I had no cash but a need for some repairs, I paid some construction guys with gold bars that I had. For that matter, I also traded a jeep wrangler for some roof work. Even more for that matter, I gifted a decent amount of AT&T stock to a school as a donation. Not sure i could do that with bitcoin but if it were possible then it applies some value beyond what the market applies since there could be tax deductibility. Again, I really don’t know that.

You've never heard of donations being made in BTC?

People take BTC as payment for their labor but you're not sure you could get a roof put on your house no matter how much BTC you offered. lmao

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By your comments, I detect some degree of youth and / or inexperience in investing.

You're about as perceptive as Kamala Harris.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13560 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 7:53 am to
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You've never heard of donations being made in BTC? People take BTC as payment for their labor but you're not sure you could get a roof put on your house no matter how much BTC you offered. lmao

You're about as perceptive as Kamala Harris.


Okay.. your responses are predictable for someone with limited experience. Sitting behind a computer and trying to insult people on the internet is about as real to your self worth as the market value of bitcoin is to reality.

Your arrogance is indicative of the typical coin boy who thinks they know it all but can’t quite tie it together.
I’d love to help you but you’re too closed minded to see the pitfalls that could lie ahead.
I’d wish you luck with it but I suspect that you don’t even own bitcoin.

And fwiw- bitcoin falls well outside the generally accepted definition of store of value….
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 8:16 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81679 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 8:18 am to
Oh another classic Slidell takeover thread. Round and round we go with the same questions and we get no where
Posted by ricker300
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2007
359 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 8:36 am to
Sure why not? Looking for a healthy pullback here to 80000 to 85000. On a longer macro I see it pulling back to 60000 before it goes 250000 by end of next year.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38302 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:24 am to
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Looking for a healthy pullback here to 80000 to 85000. On a longer macro I see it pulling back to 60000 before it goes 250000 by end of next year.


Ok, Tom Lee
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