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Interviewing and job searching is exhausting
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:05 am
Just need to rant for a minute, job searching is complete bullshite.
I’be been the same company for quite some time now and thought it may be time to test the waters, but the more I deal with this bullshite I may just retire here or wait for them to lay me off.
Part of the issue I know is that I am not naturally good at networking, and I’m in a niche industry that hires on connections. I’m getting better at it, but we don’t really connect with other firms the way most in our industry do.
Anyhow that’s all, just wanted to rant. Flame away
I’be been the same company for quite some time now and thought it may be time to test the waters, but the more I deal with this bullshite I may just retire here or wait for them to lay me off.
Part of the issue I know is that I am not naturally good at networking, and I’m in a niche industry that hires on connections. I’m getting better at it, but we don’t really connect with other firms the way most in our industry do.
Anyhow that’s all, just wanted to rant. Flame away
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:09 am to southernelite
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I’be been the same company for quite some time now and thought it may be time to test the waters, but the more I deal with this bullshite I may just retire here or wait for them to lay me off.
Part of the issue I know is that I am not naturally good at networking, and I’m in a niche industry that hires on connections. I’m getting better at it, but we don’t really connect with other firms the way most in our industry do.
To be fair, this may be in your favor here. A little awkward to interview for someone that knows your boss when your boss doesn't know you are trying to leave...
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:21 am to baldona
Most have the professionalism to not make that a big deal.
I did 1 interview where they knew someone that had already left our office, it wasn’t that bad but trying to explain how you’ll be loyal when leaving another job without trashing your current firm is difficult.
I did 1 interview where they knew someone that had already left our office, it wasn’t that bad but trying to explain how you’ll be loyal when leaving another job without trashing your current firm is difficult.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:49 am to southernelite
I don’t know your particular circumstances but you might be better off getting laid off depending on the severance.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:09 pm to TheWalrus
Imagine trying to interview for high level IT engineering positions. 4 or 5 stages of interviews with you coding on job interviews.
Doing that for 2 or 3 positions at the same time is going to drive me to mad house. I’m at a point of saying screw this after 3 stages.
Doing that for 2 or 3 positions at the same time is going to drive me to mad house. I’m at a point of saying screw this after 3 stages.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:28 pm to TheWalrus
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I don’t know your particular circumstances but you might be better off getting laid off depending on the severance.
I’ve thought about telling them I want out, but I lose all my leverage. A layoff is not imminent, but I don’t feel confident about what we’re doing and my development is hampered right now.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 1:59 pm to southernelite
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I did 1 interview where they knew someone that had already left our office, it wasn’t that bad but trying to explain how you’ll be loyal when leaving another job without trashing your current firm is difficult.
You need to be able to articulate what the new firm can provide you that your old firm can’t. If you frame it as a positive of the new firm instead of a negative of the old firm, no one will care.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 2:30 pm to Joshjrn
I answered the question pretty well. He wasn’t interested in why I wanted to work for him, he was interested in why I was leaving. Ultimately he hired someone at a higher level than what I interviewed for which was surprising to me.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 3:04 pm to southernelite
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I answered the question pretty well. He wasn’t interested in why I wanted to work for him, he was interested in why I was leaving. Ultimately he hired someone at a higher level than what I interviewed for which was surprising to me.
The answers should coincide. Instead of “I’m interested in leaving because Firm A has shite culture and they have me in a dead end job track”, “I’m interested in leaving Firm A because your firm has a better culture and this position offers me better opportunities for future advancement”, etc. And to be clear, this doesn’t have the be the real reason you want to leave. If you want to leave because you hate the frick out of your boss, come up with a better reason
Posted on 8/15/24 at 3:46 pm to southernelite
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Most have the professionalism to not make that a big deal.
I did 1 interview where they knew someone that had already left our office, it wasn’t that bad but trying to explain how you’ll be loyal when leaving another job without trashing your current firm is difficult.
Ha, well when I meant awkward I meant for you and your current boss. If you interview with someone that's your boss's golfing buddy then you may walk in tomorrow to an awkward convo with your boss.
ETA: In regards to job searches being exhausting, I think that's the sign of the current times with the economy. Employers can be a little more picky right now. I also think the past 4-5 years with employees jumping ship left and right for better opportunities has some hiring managers taking their time a little more trying to find someone that wants to stay around.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:01 pm to baldona
I definitely understand that. I had to lay a guy off under me that had hopped around a few times and he’s a hard time finding something because he has that reputation. Great worker and I think he’d stay several years now that his life has settled down, but I talked to his recruiter and she said it was a non-starter for most she spoke with.
I have a very long tenure here and I’ve been internally promoted 2x. I think that’s also a bad thing too, because while I’ve made a lot of changes within our organization and I’ve worked with several different industries in my role, I only know how our company does things. That’s part of the motivation to move is while my soft skills are probably most important moving forward, I don’t want to keep improving my technical chops.
I have a very long tenure here and I’ve been internally promoted 2x. I think that’s also a bad thing too, because while I’ve made a lot of changes within our organization and I’ve worked with several different industries in my role, I only know how our company does things. That’s part of the motivation to move is while my soft skills are probably most important moving forward, I don’t want to keep improving my technical chops.
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:24 pm to Joshjrn
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The answers should coincide. Instead of “I’m interested in leaving because Firm A has shite culture and they have me in a dead end job track”, “I’m interested in leaving Firm A because your firm has a better culture and this position offers me better opportunities for future advancement”, etc. And to be clear, this doesn’t have the be the real reason you want to leave
Interviewing is a skill and you get better the more you are interviewed and the more interviews you conduct.
I’ve done a lot of interviewing and the answer to why you want to leave your current job doesn’t have to be over complicated, but shouldn’t be framed negatively.
Q. Why are you leaving your current job?
A. I like where I am and have a good team that I enjoy working with. I just felt as though this might be a better opportunity for me to develop certain skills. I also wanted to find out more about your culture and advancement opportunities to see what a future with your company might provide. Etc. etc. (Now your interviewing them
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 5:04 pm to southernelite
I've never had what many would consider a real job and I've never had to do a job interview, but every time a thread like this is made the whole process just sounds terrible.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
It’s just such an inefficient process and you have to waste a lot of time to get the right opportunity.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 9:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've never had what many would consider a real job and I've never had to do a job interview, but every time a thread like this is made the whole process just sounds terrible.
Conducting a proper interview is very much a learned skill. The problem is that very few people do it often enough to develop that skill. Which is then compounded by the fact that very few people are particular good at being interviewed
Posted on 8/16/24 at 7:46 am to southernelite
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It’s just such an inefficient process and you have to waste a lot of time to get the right opportunity.
Because it should be…why should it be a simple process for highly paid workers? You want to work fast food for minimum wage? Sure it’s quick.
You want a job making $100k plus where hopefully you will grow with the company for many years? It needs to be a fit on multiple levels.
When I interview I make it a point to explain our company, the position well, and make sure it’s a good fit for the interviewee also. I don’t want them walking into something unexpected and quitting in 30 days.
The best new hires also find the position/ company a great fit for them.
Interviewing to some degree is like speed dating. You gotta slow it down and go on some other dates before you choose someone to be with for years.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 8:13 am to baldona
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Because it should be…why should it be a simple process for highly paid workers? You want to work fast food for minimum wage? Sure it’s quick.
This sounds like a great example of "perfect is the enemy of good".
People delude themselves into thinking if they create these very complicated systems around their own subjectivity, it will create a more perfect decision from that subjectivity. Humans are not built to be able to do this and decision-making of typically molded by variables outside of this perceived decision-making paradigm.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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This sounds like a great example of "perfect is the enemy of good".
People delude themselves into thinking if they create these very complicated systems around their own subjectivity, it will create a more perfect decision from that subjectivity. Humans are not built to be able to do this and decision-making of typically molded by variables outside of this perceived decision-making paradigm.
I don't know what you are even trying to say?
Are you suggesting that hiring someone with advanced knowledge should be an easy process?
Part of hiring someone is not just hiring their skills and abilities which often times have to be vetted in an interview, but also hiring their personality to fit into your company. I'm not suggesting everyone should be diving head first into company culture, but a reasonable fit is a requirement.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 10:12 am to baldona
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I don't know what you are even trying to say?
It's just word salad and an overcomplicated way of saying people try to use processes to prevent bias from screwing up their hiring or passing on certain applicants but even their processes, which are meant to be unbiased, are shaped by their biases. In the end, people end up hiring who they want anyway.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 8/16/24 at 11:13 am to JiminyCricket
In a previous career I was involved in 100s of interiews. I'd like to say that I'm fairly experienced now. To be fair, most were low end jobs.
Now that I'm a small business owner, I can tell you that making a crappy hire really sucks. Its a lot of work training a new person only for them to quit or need to be fired within a short time frame.
Interviewing sucks and I get that, but its a hell of a lot easier to vet someone and a business for that matter in 5-10 hours of interviews than it is after 100 hours of working there and having to pay them.
Now that I'm a small business owner, I can tell you that making a crappy hire really sucks. Its a lot of work training a new person only for them to quit or need to be fired within a short time frame.
Interviewing sucks and I get that, but its a hell of a lot easier to vet someone and a business for that matter in 5-10 hours of interviews than it is after 100 hours of working there and having to pay them.
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