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I have a lot of tax advantaged funds (65%) in treasuries -Default question

Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:00 am
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42036 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:00 am
So I am heavy in treasuries with a plan to rotate to equity overtime

If the US gov defaults and presents a buying opportunity my treasuries held in my Schwab account probably will not me marketable? Or heavily discounted.

Wondering if my dry powder is not dry?

How likely is my buying opportunity are you freeing up funds?
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7929 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:27 am to
Unfortunately, we don't have a precedent here. The prevailing thought is maybe they will start being marked down as they miss interest payments, bc you still expect principle back eventually but you are missing out on oppurtunity with that cash over time.


But who is going to be the buyer with that amount of uncertainty? That's why I think its going to be much worse, at the end of the day, buyers decide mark. If there are no buyers, the mark is 0 until there are buyers. Money markets and funds that's have to mark daily won't be buying that shite, and they are a huge portion of the buyers.

No one wants any June paper, no one is going to buy your June paper.

Not sure if I'm correct, but I did stay at a holiday Inn last night and listen to a podcast about this very topic.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 9:31 am
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:27 am to
Sometimes when you’re hitting rapids it’s better to paddle faster. Unless there is a waterfall on the other side. Lol

I make this analogy bc emerging market debt may be the safest place to be if there’s a USD default.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40254 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 10:37 am to
quote:

But who is going to be the buyer with that amount of uncertainty? That's why I think its going to be much worse, at the end of the day, buyers decide mark. If there are no buyers, the mark is 0 until there are buyers. Money markets and funds that's have to mark daily won't be buying that shite, and they are a huge portion of the buyers.


It's worth something. But it would go from an almost guaranteed value to something far different. And inlike corporations, there isn't a set of audited financials to build off of.

I don't think they will default. Both parties like to deficit spend too much, and defaulting would harm future abilities.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42036 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 11:50 am to
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It's worth something. But it would go from an almost guaranteed value to something far different. And inlike corporations, there isn't a set of audited financials to build off of.


Default might be opportunity to buy treasuries with great yield
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1579 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 9:48 pm to
Did anyone else notice, that the rate for 1 month treasuries spiked today? It jumped to almost 6%
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 9:49 pm
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