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re: HP to kill its PC business and also WebOS based tablets, phones

Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:00 pm to
I'm just glad I'm not the only one that finds it truly fascinating. At least there's two of us.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:15 pm to


Do you know the cost of the parts going into each tablet?

Is it even possible for OEMs to turn a profit if they sell at $200?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:31 pm to
I don't know, but would be shocked if they couldn't. The problem is distribution. The only marginally successful ipad competitor has been the Galaxy Tab. Why? Because its got good specs and a real distribution channel. HTC was almost there with the flyer and Sprint, except for the part where they made a single core 7 inch tablet that absolutely no one wants. So frustrating, just add another core and 2 inches for frick's sake. Where do these people get their marketing info from? Hoping the advent of Ice Cream Sandwich + OMAP4 +/- Tegra 3 really does it. I'm sorry, but 4 cores in a tablet makes me shite bricks.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25180 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:34 pm to
Still selling for about $230-250 on eBay. I am shocked they are going that high.

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 6:37 pm to
I completely agree. I don't understand what some of the tech companies are thinking when they release these products that can't even compete with what is currently on the market.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 7:02 pm to
If I was more certain a fully working Ice Cream Sandwichport was coming soon, I would be much more willing to buy one. The price is only going to come down as the bubble pops and half of the people who bought one realize they aren't making shite re-selling them, that they aren't laptop replacements, that they don't want to learn a new interface, that the whole android port thing isn't as quick/easy/simple as any of them expect, etc. I predict heavy buyer's remorse on the OT contingent.

ETA: Unless demand<supply indefinitely. As it stands right now, we see an only slightly inflated fair value because that's the case, but I don't think that will last. Just hope what we said in the other thread turns out to be the case and companies take notice of the current pricing mechanics before it falls apart.

Most people would be inclined to say that that $250 price point on ebay disproves EMH. I think its proof that it exists. Unsophisticated market particpants create irrational market, which creates irrational prices, which gets rationalized as sophisticated market participants enter market and deflate irrational expectations. Reminds me a lot of some other markets that get pumped up around here a lot.
This post was edited on 8/21/11 at 7:53 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 9:15 pm to
They only cost like $300 to make. I will never understand why HP charged $600 out the door. Dumb as hell. You can't price he same as Apple.....

I work fo HP, and I bought an iPad2 b/c they were priced the same.

I don't know if this is some huge rick roll the board is pulling. I really have no idea where the higher ups minds are at.
This post was edited on 8/21/11 at 9:19 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 9:39 pm to
It would be funny as hell if it was, unfortunately, you and I both know its just because your upper management is rudderless and a complete mess. It is awe-inspiring and positively hilarious to see them dump it and it literally sell like hotcakes. People might be generally technologically non-savvy, but they're not idiots. They know tablets don't cost $600, only Apple can convince its cult following that such things are worth such prices (and before someone jumps in, as I've said since I was 16, they do this better than any company aside from maybe a few high end liquor companies).
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66972 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 10:45 pm to
Exactly. Our laptops cost less than $600. I was astounded when we released it and saw the price. Just pure stupidiy.

They price this thing at $400 and still make a profit and they would have likely made some noise in the market. We have very small profit margins on PCs....why not on the tablett so they can compete?
This post was edited on 8/21/11 at 10:48 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/21/11 at 10:58 pm to
I will add another "IMO" comment here. I am amazed and excited about the level of early adopters that are coming on board with this. Granted, 90% of those people are unknowningly early adopters, but I really think this could be a watershed moment in the tablet market. I have no clue what kind of inventory HP has (maybe you can hook us up???), but there's no way this doesn't depress the sales of ipads, and it is probably going to obliterate the sales of android tablets for the next two or three months. I reallyreallyreally hope companies pull their heads out of their asses and realize if they change the revenue structure they can sell these very easily. Otherwise, its going to continue to be overvalued ipads and every one else.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/22/11 at 7:42 am to
I'm with you, kfizzle, I think if a tablet company could hit the $200 price target they could finally start taking market share from the iPad. They will never compete at $600
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25180 posts
Posted on 8/22/11 at 8:37 am to
AT $200 with the necessary features.

There are $200 tablets on the market right now...they just suck.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/22/11 at 9:50 am to
Its moving down the chain though. A quick google shopping search shows the Acer Iconia selling for $300 flat (without any liquidation discount). Its not an ipad, but its also a first gen product. IF they can shrink the form factor and (more importantly) get the battery life to something more in-line with the other tabs, it will do well at $300 if it gets just a smidgen of marketing dollars behind it.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 9/22/11 at 12:40 pm to
The thunder, it appears to be rolling:

Meg Whitman poised to be named H-P CEO: report LINK ][LINK]
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66972 posts
Posted on 9/22/11 at 3:51 pm to
Got an email 30 minutes ago. It is official.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 9/22/11 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4340 posts
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:40 pm to
Meg Whitman's letter to HP employees:

Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66972 posts
Posted on 9/22/11 at 10:21 pm to
Leo sent one too a few hours ago. Fricking joke he was.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 8:14 am to
it's hard to wrap yourself around the massive amount of failure through the years...Compaq buying a dying DEC, buying Tandem and nearly killing it, a struggling HP buying a crumbling Compaq. Automony would be wise to run like hell.

At least Agilent still looks somewhat like the old HP.
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