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re: How much longer will the Energy Sector have legs?

Posted on 6/8/22 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 1:00 pm to
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Theres too much easily tapped for this to happen IMO


The fly in that ointment is the administration. Biden seems hell-bent on forcing more green energy, regardless to the harm it does to the economy. Maybe he'll soften on NG, but I sincerely doubt it. He seems bought into the whole "panels + windmills > all" mindset.
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 1:09 pm to
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After the mid-terms, the atmosphere will change and the impediments will be put in the public stocks. That will restore some of oil production's confidence.





I hope you are correct(about supply/demand working itself out), but oil futures for July up big today.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 2:21 pm to
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I hope you are correct(about supply/demand working itself out), but oil futures for July up big today.


There are a lot of variables out there beyond the policies that President* Biden put into place, but getting Biden in hobbles will certainly help unkink the hose.

Posted by LetsgoGamecocks
Member since Sep 2014
2916 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:41 pm to
Even hedges for oil 12 months out are over $100. Debt will evaporate for oil companies and they will be printing presses. Smaller plays like LPI, CDEV and CPE are going to make bank.
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 6:28 am to
Through the end of the year would be my guess. 2nd and 3rd quarter profits are going to be off the charts.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 9:55 am to
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The fly in that ointment is the administration. Biden seems hell-bent on forcing more green energy, regardless to the harm it does to the economy. Maybe he'll soften on NG, but I sincerely doubt it. He seems bought into the whole "panels + windmills > all" mindset.


But, but, but, they have a real solution in mind!

Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:46 pm to
Check https://oilprice.com/ regularly.

There are a handful of doomer articles but the majority support oil (currently in the low $120’s) getting up to $140-$150 or more before demand destruction and possible recession starts bringing it down.

I think we’re close to the top but not quite there yet.

I bought into the oil sector bigly (for me) also in March 2020 when oil was
-$30 brl, and anticipate selling it all within the next couple of months trying to time as close to the top as I can without waiting too long.

Bullish factors:

Ukraine war - EU sanctions on Russian oil

Biden policies - driving prices up by restricting domestic supply

China - loosening Covid lockdowns this summer should increase global demand

Normal seasonal demand peak coming with more travel in the summer.



Eventual bearish factors :

Price gets high enough to start demand destruction - people stop traveling / too expensive

Recession entered causes demand destruction
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted by CBDTiger
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 9:35 am to
It's amazing that Zoom had a higher market cap than XOM in 2020. Now Exxon's market cap is 12X that of Zoom.

Yahoo - I guess economies still need oil and gas
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 2:15 pm to
The spike in oil prices feels sticky so these stocks could stay high and CVX and XOM could shake off some nice dividends for a while. My view is that we're entering the peak in shale production and we could enter a decline phase without any major reserve replacement projects anywhere on the horizon...so even if a move to alternatives were to occur, the decline in oil demand will be offset by a decline in supply.
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 3:07 pm to
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If I had any oil stocks,



With all due respect, I don't think I would seek advice on the oil market from someone who doesn't own any oil stocks in this economy.
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
1784 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 7:47 pm to
How long will energy stocks run?

The Ukraine war and the bans on Russia oil won’t end anytime soon as long as Putin is alive and in power. This will change the dynamic if this happens.

The red line in the sand, domestic policy wise, is the Keystone Pipeline. When the American public screams loud enough about the price at the pump to cause Biden to reverse direction on this, this will be the top of the Energy Sector.

Another signal the energy stocks are at a top would be if the Biden restricts oil exports from the USA but that is very unlikely to happen IMO. This is something he could do with a stoke of his pen to cause oil/gas prices in the USA to fall quite far. But…..they don’t want you to know that.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 7:48 pm
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15430 posts
Posted on 6/12/22 at 8:29 pm to
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I'm having PTSD from not selling Boeing, Airline & Cruise stocks in Fall of 2021 when they were double what they are now.


Same here.

Difference with the oil/energy stocks is they’re also paying healthy dividends, whereas BA and all the travel stocks weren’t. (I’m kicking myself for not liquidating those positions)

Someone who bought cvx and xom at the bottom are yielding 10%.

I have huge positions in oil and am debating if/when to sell, but those dividends make it a tough decision.
This post was edited on 6/12/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:43 am to
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we were energy independent two years ago


I know the PoliBoard throws this phrase around all the time without any realization what it really means. Maybe the Money Board would be smarter.

Your first part about there being a political component isn't wrong, but this whole "we were energy independent two years ago" stuff gets thrown around by people who don't even know what they mean when they say it.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 8:44 am to
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Check LINK regularly.

There are a handful of doomer articles but the majority support oil (currently in the low $120’s) getting up to $140-$150 or more before demand destruction and possible recession starts bringing it down.


I like that source. They have a couple really good contributors whom I read regularly and appear to be on top of on-going developments in the energy sector.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:33 am to
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I know the PoliBoard throws this phrase around all the time without any realization what it really means. Maybe the Money Board would be smarter.


So they were lying?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:21 am to
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So they were lying?



I'd say the vast majority of people throwing around that phrase just aren't informed and probably don't know what they mean when they use it.

Do they think we weren't importing oil, or do they use it thinking we were simply a net exporter of petroleum products?

Refiners still needed to import oil even during the Trump Administration.

We were a net exporter of total petroleum in 2020 and in 2021; however, we were still always a net crude oil importer.

We were not "independent" of imports for our energy needs and consumption.

Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:58 am to
So our energy industry was in no way better during those times they claim we were energy independent?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:03 am to
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So our energy industry was in no way better during those times they claim we were energy independent?


I never said that. Of course it had much more stability overall.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27810 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 11:52 am to
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With all due respect, I don't think I would seek advice on the oil market from someone who doesn't own any oil stocks in this economy.


I wish I had bought a bunch the day before Biden moved into the White House.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
18252 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:06 pm to
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I never said that. Of course it had much more stability overall.


Oh ok, I’m just curious because people say that we were not energy independent during those years as if to say our energy industry wasn’t different in any way than it is today.
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